Verification, Validation or Checking? Definition of the word "Checked"

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kgott

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We have a large international client for whom we need to:

"Indentify the characteristics of the product / service to be checked and maintain evidence...." as part of a project quality plan.

My question is:

1.) have they used the word "checked" in place of verification and or validation in order to remove confusion over these two words.
2.) if so, is this something we might all consider adopting as being a new and better way of dealing with verification and validation definition issues?

I myself don’t see a problem with this change in language.
Due to some ‘funny people’ I can’t go back to the client and ask them for a clarification on this.
thanks
 
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sagai

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Hi!
In general, I think what you have to have is an objective evidence as defined in EN ISO 9000:2005 (D/E/F) ...
3.8.1
objective evidence
data supporting the existence or verity of something
NOTE Objective evidence may be obtained through observation, measurement, test (3.8.3), or other means
I do not think we can guess what your customer wanted to say without knowing what they wanted to say with that terminology... :eek:

I know it is almost nothing, I would check the "checked" with your customer.

Regards, Szabolcs
 

Big Jim

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I'm going to throw my best swag (simple wild a** guess) at this and say it means either inspect or verify. My justification for this is that they are talking about activity concerning element 7.4.3, and those are the terms used there. Validate is not used there.

But really, the only way to know for sure is to ask your customer. It is better to ask, no matter how difficult, than to not ask and get it wrong.
 
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kgott

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Thanks blokes; I think your right. I will see if can get the projects rulers to check it out. It would be refreshing to see a big major lead with some best practice.

Pity they cant do the same with safety; I dont know why but so many of the big players are belivers in behaviour based safety.

cheers and thanks
 

Ajit Basrur

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Thanks blokes; I think your right. I will see if can get the projects rulers to check it out. It would be refreshing to see a big major lead with some best practice.

Pity they cant do the same with safety; I dont know why but so many of the big players are belivers in behaviour based safety.

cheers and thanks
Does this reply fit in this thread or you posted for another thread ? :)
 

Ajit Basrur

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We have a large international client for whom we need to:

"Indentify the characteristics of the product / service to be checked and maintain evidence...." as part of a project quality plan.

My question is:

1.) have they used the word "checked" in place of verification and or validation in order to remove confusion over these two words.
2.) if so, is this something we might all consider adopting as being a new and better way of dealing with verification and validation definition issues?

I myself don’t see a problem with this change in language.
Due to some ‘funny people’ I can’t go back to the client and ask them for a clarification on this.
thanks
Hopefully this document can clarify the difference - Verification / Validation / Checking

I have also attached the pdf version.

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K

kgott

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Thanks Ajit, very good, it explains it very nicley.

No; its not the same post but its the same arguement. This bloke here:

http :// www. mocalinc. com/ - DEAD 404 LINK UNLINKED

explains the problems with BBS very nicely.

Then there is the attached, least I hope it is attached.

cheers
 

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