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Craig H. said:
I have heard/read that the Gee Bees, while very fast, were also very, very tricky to fly.
So have I, and I suppose they must have been. I'm admittedly guessing now, but: That tiny wing (and no flaps) must mean a high wing loading, the big engine must have produced a good deal of torque. That probably indicates a high risk for nasty stalling characteristics and they were always flown at low altitude which means little or no time to recover... Small wonder people got killed.

/Claes
 
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Claes Gefvenberg said:
So have I, and I suppose they must have been. I'm admittedly guessing now, but: That tiny wing (and no flaps) must mean a high wing loading, the big engine must have produced a good deal of torque. That probably indicates a high risk for nasty stalling characteristics and they were always flown at low altitude which means little or no time to recover... Small wonder people got killed.

/Claes


Claes:

Going by memory (speaking of stalling) I think that it was the torque - and a small wing to counteract it. I am sure that the lack of time to get things sorted because of the low altitude when racing played a part as well.

I'd guess this is one way to go, fast.

Craig
 
Craig H. said:
Going by memory (speaking of stalling) I think that it was the torque - and a small wing to counteract it.
Yeah. That's one of many ways to create a stall.

Imagine undershooting a bit on approach. What do you do? You open up the throttle of course. A wee bit too much and one wing falls out of the sky quickly followed by the rest of the aeroplane. Before you know it you find yourself inverted and stalling at very low altitude... bye...

Another way would be to pull a little bit too hard going around a pylon. Even at full speed, you can get yourself into a high G stall. The aircraft snap rolls and hits the dirt... bye...

Neither of these situations would be a problem if you have a bit of altitude...

/Claes
 

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I have no experience flying in a Gee Bee. . . my adventures included Cessna 150's and 172's. . . I was with my instructor one evening when we did some "maneuvers" in a 150. . . non-aerobat, but we did a barrel roll, split S, and an inside loop. I enjoyed the heck out of it. . .only glitch was when we started the barrel roll and we got to about 90 degrees . . . my door popped open, and I was looking straight at the ground over my left shoulder. . . obviously, we weren't going too fast. . . There was also a time when I flew the 150 backwards. . .any experienced pilot will know what I mean. . .

I did some inquiries in the 70's with associates, and yes. . . the Gee Bee was a bear to fly. All engine and small control surfaces made it very unstable at low speeds. . . but it went like heck. .

One interesting note about the Gee Bee. . . it does not have a big paddle blade prop as you might expect to utilize that big engine. . .the prop is a constant speed prop but very narrow by War Bird standards. . .
 
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They had an excellant repo of a Gee-Bee in the movie "Rocketeer".

James (Jimmie) Doolittle won the Thompson Air Trophy in 1932 flying a Gee-Bee.
 
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Randy said:
They had an excellant repo of a Gee-Bee in the movie "Rocketeer".

James (Jimmie) Doolittle won the Thompson Air Trophy in 1932 flying a Gee-Bee.

Yup he did. . . and I believe that the Gee Bee was the top winner till 1938. . . I could be wrong though. . .
 
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Randy said:
They had an excellant repo of a Gee-Bee in the movie "Rocketeer".
James (Jimmie) Doolittle won the Thompson Air Trophy in 1932 flying a Gee-Bee.
I might be Waaaay off base here....but did Doolittle have anything to do with the reprisal attack on Tokyo by B24s off the carrier?????

Edited by me: I did a Google search (thru the cove header - Thanks Marc) and it was Jimmy Doolittle with 'Doolittle's Raiders' and it was B25s not B24s

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Greg B said:
I might be Waaaay off base here....but did Doolittle have anything to do with the reprisal attack on Tokyo by B24s off the carrier?????

Edited by me: I did a Google search (thru the cove header - Thanks Marc) and it was Jimmy Doolittle with 'Doolittle's Raiders' and it was B25s not B24s Greg B

It would really have been interesting to watch B-24 Liberators take off from an aircraft carrier. .

Yes. . .they were B-25 Mitchell's. . . mostly early A models
 
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Malta Air Show

Hello all,
Just to let you know, we in Malta organize a good show, the following web site has all the details.(broken link removed)
 
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