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What are you Paying for Gasoline? Petrol Prices Around the World

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David Mullins

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and down under

In Adelaide South Australia we pay between $0.89 and $1.00 per litre.
In the rural (desert) areas the price soars to $1.60 and more per litre.
Approx 60% is government revenue.
Despite the fact that we supply enough crude for our own needs, we don't have enough LPG. Therefore we must pay global going rates for petrol.
Obviously we must be using Swedens going rates.

Ah, the global economy.

When I was in the States in '94 my wife commented that US petrol prices were the same as Australia. I then pointed out that in the US it was per gallon, not per litre. So our petrol prices were roughly 4 times what you paid in the US.
 
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Rob Nix

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Dave,

Whatever happened to the Active Tool stamping plant in Marion (later bought by Tower Automotive)? Did that shut down as well?

I ask because I was Quality Manager for its sister plant in Sebewaing, MI for 10 years, and visited the plant in Marion about twice a year.
 
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David Hartman

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Rob Nix said:
Dave,

Whatever happened to the Active Tool stamping plant in Marion (later bought by Tower Automotive)? Did that shut down as well?

I ask because I was Quality Manager for its sister plant in Sebewaing, MI for 10 years, and visited the plant in Marion about twice a year.
Yes, Active Tool went under I think it was about 6 years ago, give or take a little.

It has been accompanied by Foster-Forbes (glass), GenTech (formerly General Tire), Essex Wire (wire & cable), SCM (paper products), Ampad (paper products), Franklin Electric (motors), Thomson Consumer Electronics (TV picture tubes). We have remaining Dana Corp. (reduced in size from over 3000 employees in 1980 to 300+ today), a GM body plant (3000+ employees), and probably less than 30 small (5 - 250 employees) metal working, machine shop, tooling, cardboard, or plastics manufacturers.
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SteelWoman said:
Where are you - what part of the country - and what is gas costing you? I'm in Alabama and I about fell off my bike yesterday when I pulled up to the tank and had to pay $1.64 for a gallon of gas! AAAAGGGHHHH!!! :mg: It cost me $4.53 to fill up my tank!! (obviously my bike, not my F150).
This was way back in March. I filled up yesterday at $1.999, and noticed on my way in to work it was up to $2.059. What a difference a couple of months makes.
 

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Hovering between 86.9cents and 89.9cents / liter in my area....but up to $1.02/litre out west in British Columbia I hear.
 
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Bill Pflanz

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The reason for the high gasoline prices is the same reason that they were $1 a gallon about 4 years ago - supply and demand. I didn't hear anyone complaining about the imbalance back then.

Here is a little history that some may have forgotten or do not know. The oil crisis first hit in 1973 when OPEC was created. Prices quadrupled from about $3 per barrel to $12. The current price is about $38-40 and has increased about 25% this year. Back about 4 years ago the price was about $15-18. If you factor in inflation, the current price is probably still less than 1973 and was a steal just a few years ago. OPEC (specifically Saudia Arabia) has managed the oil prices by controlling the supply side. When they couldn't control the price was during the 1980's when the U.S. and a lot of the rest of world went into a recession and started conserving energy. The price fell to about $18-22 for almost 20 years as the demand for gasoline and fuel fell significantly due to conservation efforts and new non-OPEC supplies. Due to the low demand and the cost of keeping up with new environmental laws on lead usage and air pollution, the oil industry shut down a significant number of refineries during the 1980's and 1990's.

What does all this history have to do with today's prices? Currently U.S. refineries are running at over 95% capacity and I have heard as high as 99%. That is an unsustainable level and means that there is not enough capacity for current demand. New refineries will not be built due to more stringent and costly environmental requirements and business risks if the price would fall sharply again. On the demand side, people are driving more and in less efficient trucks and SUV's. Demand is back up to 1970's levels but the supply side is less than back then. In addition, there is unrest in the Middle East again which always drives prices for crude oil up. Crude oil is also priced in U.S. dollars and with the weakness of the dollar, crude oil has not increase worldwide as much as in the U.S.

If you add it all up, we are where we should be. What will it take to lower prices again? A combination of lower demand, some new refineries (which carries significant business risk and environmental costs, and more stability in the Middle East. Outside of those issues, there is no problem. My prediction is that a combination of all three will occur and oil prices will again stabilize at about $22-25 per barrel. Even Saudi Arabia knows that if crude oil stays too high for a long enough period, the supply will increase through OPEC cheating, non-OPEC sources or new sources and their volume and price will decrease just like it did in the 80's. If people start conserving again, then the decrease can occur without the other supply changes.

I believe history will repeat itself.

Bill Pflanz
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I just paid 2.09/gal a few days ago. In Mass (About 30 miles away) I can find it for $1.61/gal. A few town over from me, about $1.80/gal.
 
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