What do you think is the most invasive supplier QA system?

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ralphsulser

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On the Automotive sector, on the other hand, the disease known as "micromaningities®" which makes customers and suppliers to have an adversarial relationship, instead of a collaborative approach is, in my opinion, limited to the US BIG 3. It is NOT an issue with other automotive OEM's as expressed here, several times.
Sidney, I like your new word and it is so appropriate ."micromaningities"..they come in all the time, beat you up on minor details, and you get sick.
 
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D.Scott

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"the disease known as "micromaningities®" which makes customers and suppliers to have an adversarial relationship, instead of a collaborative approach"

Congratulations Sidney on a perfect quality word. I hope it becomes an industry standard and added to 9000.

Dave
 
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Kevin H

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Actually, I don't remember nuclear as being that invasive - we were supplying heat treated stock to be used in making bolts for nuclear reactors. I don't remember the exact size, but we'd get two to three mults out of 1 20 foot long bar with some scrap. Bar diameters were around 7". Some bigger some smaller. On the other hand we had to supply an archive mult from I believe the top and bottom of each VAR ingot. To the best of my knowledge, those archive mults are still in a federal depository around Cleveland, OH with my name on the c of a's associated with them.

More invasive were materials for ships - we heat treated material for propeller shafts and had to arrange to have representatives from both Lloyd's Registry and the American Burea of Ships (ABS) present during our testing of the product. It was a royal pain trying to get both reps in at the same time to see the tests. Both of these instances were back in the late 70's - at the same time we were also supplying all of the heat tretaed stock used by Colt Industries to produce M-16 barrels.

More recently, the biggest pain was probably UL, Underwriter's Laboratories, we had one grade of stainless sheet used in the heating industry that was certified by UL. The inspector could come in at any time to check production, testing, etc. We never had a problem with the testing, it was always the surprise timing that was a problem, as it seemed that I was always busy on a project ar at a meeting when the call came that the inspector was at the gate.

Sidney - I do like the new quality term. The more I see of the big 3, the more it seems to apply.
 
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Ted Schmitt

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Ted, do you mean Petroleum (Oil & Gas) or Petrobrás?;) What about the other petro-customers?
Petrobrás.... I figured if I said Petrobras, many wouldn´t know what I was talking about....

Just an example... during one of their audits, one of the auditors looked at our finished product and said "Holy S#&t, your valve is really UGLY ! " Needless to say, I almost cancelled the audit immediatly and asked them to leave... :mad:

Today we do not supply to Petrobras (our corporate decision) nor do we wish to in the near future.

Sidney, by the way are you Brazilian?
 

Sidney Vianna

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Just an example... during one of their audits, one of the auditors looked at our finished product and said "Holy S#&t, your valve is really UGLY !
That is what I call a tactful and diplomatic auditor....:tg:

I remember once observing an exit meeting (for a preliminary assessment where a large number of non-conformities were observed during the assessment) and the lead auditor preambled his comments by saying: "Sorry for being the one calling your "baby ugly"..." Not good....:nope:
 
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John Nabors - 2009

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at the same time we were also supplying all of the heat tretaed stock used by Colt Industries to produce M-16 barrels.
Kevin-

What type of heat treat? If it was hardened by quenching and tempering that must have been hell on Colt's gundrilling and broaching operations. I wonder what the hardness was?

I worked for a sub that made most of the parts for the M-16 after Colt lost the contract to FN. We bought the barrel material in the annealed condition, machined everything to size, then after heat treat the barrels were straigtened and honed. If Colt was using hardened bar stock, it's no wonder they lost the job to FN.

Regards -John
 
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