What does "NO" mean in Customer Approval Verification (FAI form 2, Field 9)

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cghexsm2737

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What does "NO" mean in Customer Approval Verification (Feild 9) on the Product Accountability-Raw Material Specification and Special Process (es) Functional Testing (Form 2)?
 
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Re: What does "NO" mean in Customer Approval Verification

We will need more information. Specifically what form(s) are you referring to?
 

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What does "NO" mean in Customer Approval Verification (Feild 9) on the Product Accountability-Raw Material Specification and Special Process (es) Functional Testing (Form 2)?
We will need more information. Specifically what form(s) are you referring to?
There's a form here (PDF) that seems to be what the OP is referring to, but I know nothing about it. I'm sure one of our aerospace experts will be able to help.
 
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Umang Vidyarthi

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What does "NO" mean in Customer Approval Verification (Feild 9) on the Product Accountability-Raw Material Specification and Special Process (es) Functional Testing (Form 2)?
There's a form here (PDF) that seems to be what the OP is referring to, but I know nothing about it. I'm sure one of our aerospace experts will be able to help.
I have no experience with Aerospace, but one of my customer in USA does conduct 'First Article Inspection' for every new component. Their FAI report says 'Passed' or 'Failed'. Therefore we may safely conclude that 'Yes' or 'No' relate to passed or failed respectively.

To be sure, let someone from Aerospace chime in for the final verdict.

Umang :D
 
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tyker

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I believe the query relates to the FAI form 2.

This from AS9102 regarding form 2 field 9:
"Customer Approval Verification. Indicate if the special process or material source is approved by the customer."

So "NO" means it isn't approved by the customer.
 
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Blue Screw

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A "NO" in the Customer Approval Verification indicates whether or not the FAI material is required to be reviewed by your customer. This is typically done by your customers SQA representative.

As and example. GE (General Electric) has their SQA representatives visit the supplier or have the supplier send all documents required for a AS9102 FAI.

Not all materials require a complete FAI, however they will require some form of verification of their compliance with standards. This are indicated the requirement for your customer to approve them.

These materials all become part of your FAI anyways and as such the FAI itself will require a review/acceptance by your customer.
Hope that helps and that I understood you properly.
 
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tyker

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Form 2 field 9 specifically refers to customer approval of the source of material or the source of a special process. Not all customers insist on approving all sources of material and special processes.
 
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KwalityWonk

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Personnally, in 10 years of using these forms, I have never used "No" in Block 9. N/A is the appropriate entry if the customer does not require an approved source. Not sure when "No" would be appropriate, unless you are violating your Customer's requirements or have some type of concession to use unnapproved sources.
 
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thebians

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Tyker has an excellent answer. If it's not too late, maybe to expand upon the answers given by some who intelligently ask, "Why would anyone ever put, 'No'? It seems a clear violation of customer's requirement," I can offer some reasons. Working in aerospace, I use the forms consistently. I would put, "NO," because the supplier requires approved processors to be used for that process (the same would apply for materials, but our products only require processes), but the processor used is NOT approved by our customer. I am the person completing the report. The situation is done. The information must be reported, "An approved processor was not used." I would generate a nonconformance record. It would be disposition to be either re-processed at an approved processor or "Use-As-Is" by the customer's delegated MRB authority. These are rare circumstances. What could also occur is the customer didn't have the database updated and this would bring the circumstance to light. They could update it and a "Partial" (updated) FAI submitted reflecting the approval. Also, the customer could go and survey the processor and approve them and accept the FAI based upon that survey.

It is rare, but I hope this sheds some light on how such a situation could occur and still be accepted in the end even though it looks bad at the initial glance.
 
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