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Sidney Vianna

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Could someone please throw some light on this?
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A pundit, prone to conspiracy theories (not me) could infer that by demanding all ISO 9001:2000 certificates become obsolete in 24 months, or less, will ensure that all money transfers and transactions associated with this issue, via purchase of standards, courses, certificates issuance, etc.... will be sped up.
 
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Thanks Howste and Sydney.

I have a client right now ready for re-certification to ISO 9001:2000. Will it be OK if transition to 2008 version is carried out as part of Surveillance audit? I have not yet contacted any of the likely certification bodies though.
 
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Thanks Howste and Sydney.

I have a client right now ready for re-certification to ISO 9001:2000. Will it be OK if transition to 2008 version is carried out as part of Surveillance audit? I have not yet contacted any of the likely certification bodies though.
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The 2008 version does not contain any new requirements.
I am not sure why you would want to do this.
Can you clarify?

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I have a client right now ready for re-certification to ISO 9001:2000. Will it be OK if transition to 2008 version is carried out as part of Surveillance audit?
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Yes, but as indicated in the IAF/ISO communique', no certificate to the 4th Edition of ISO 9001 can be issued until the standard is released and an audit takes place.
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I have not yet contacted any of the likely certification bodies though.
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Looks like your client practices the "ancient art" of "shopping around" for a new certification body, when of the re-certification cycle. Another symptom of a commoditization mind-set in the certification sector. Certificates being perceived as a commodity, with price as the only deciding factor, when selecting a registrar.....
 
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There is yet another question bothering me. Since the 2008 version does not have any new requirements, (and I suppose does not omit any of the existing requirements either) would it not be more appropriate to maintain the existing standard and re-issue it as

"ISO 9001:2000 - Reaffirmed in 2008".

In case certain points need to be clarified in "2008 version", these could be added by issuing an amendment to ISO 9004 -Guidelines thus avoiding unnecessary work by various agencies particularly those currently holding certification to ISO 9001:2000. In fact such an action would generate more respect for ISO 9001:2000 besides immense credit to ISO TC 176 who approved and issued 2000 version.

On the other hand issue of new version with no additional requirement and with a "threat" of making earlier certificates invalid after 24 months, may give wrong signals to the industry and businesses. Well is there yet an iota of hope of avoiding the release of this "new" version at this stage? Can anyone help?
 
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Question about Management Represenative ISO 9001:2000, Part 5.5.2...when it states in the new 2008 version "must be a member of the organization’s own management. Outsiders may no longer perform this important function," does that mean that the Management Rep must be on the companies payroll, as in W2? Can this person be a full time manager (32+ hrs. wk.), but a self employed contractor who receives a 1099 instead?

We are already ISO 001:2000 certified and gearing up for the new 9001:2008, so I'm beginning to read data on the new changes and/or requirements. I have found this forum helpful in interpertating the requirements, since so much can be subjective.

The interpertation of this still is a little ambigious if it doesn't specify the above requirements. Being a contractor doesn't make you any less commited, and being full time leaves little time for any other employment.

Any comments? :bigwave:
 
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Right folks, I had a bit of spare time so I thought I would take a detailed look at the FDIS. I have summarised the changes based on Appendix B for those that do not have access to the standard but I have also added my thoughts as to what the proposed changes mean to most certificated organisations and offered some suggested actions.

Feel free to comment on my judgement - it is difficult to try and anticipate all the different applications of the standard so apologies if I have got it wrong for you and yours. :rolleyes:
 

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