What is in a Product Audit? TS 16949 Clause 8.2.2.3

Jim Wynne

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#21
Jim,

Independence means no dependency.
Thanks for clearing that up. :tg:

So, if the internal auditor gets involved in making up for this system weakness then they could end up auditing their own work and the system weakness will persist!

The system should help people do good work without the need for audit. It rarely does but the internal auditor has to avoid making the system depend on him or her.

Systems that depend on their internal auditors are in need of improvement. Such improvement will not come if the internal auditor perpetuates this dependency.
Your error: assuming that an auditor that participates in improvement efforts in processes she's audited creates dependence on her. You further err in assuming that because such help is forthcoming, the auditee is incapable of doing things himself.
 
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John Broomfield

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#22
Jim, I have corrected my post to maintain the context lost in your response with this repeat of my earlier statement "Advising as requested by the auditee may conceal a system weakness". This should make it clearer that I am not making any assumptions. John
 
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