What is Manufacturing Extension? Audit Man-Days

jelly1921

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#1
In RULES 5.2 audit days determination
f) the audited entity includes:
the total number of employees on site including any manufacturing extension of the site
and in 5.13 certification and certificate issuance
the content of the certificate shall
h) include on the appendix to the certificate, manufacturing site extensions...

Could anyone show me an example?

Thanks:thanx:
 
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In RULES 5.2 audit days determination
f) the audited entity includes:
the total number of employees on site including any manufacturing extension of the site
and in 5.13 certification and certificate issuance
the content of the certificate shall
h) include on the appendix to the certificate, manufacturing site extensions...

Could anyone show me an example?

Thanks:thanx:
If I remember correctly, this item refers to an eventual portion of manufacturing site that is far from the mfg site on the audit scope.
If this portion is also part of the mfg process flow, it shall be audited as well and included in the certificate of ISO TS for the requesting organization.
Usually it is referred as the "5 miles site" clause in IATF sanctioned intepretation, in the sense that it is "near" to the site under the audit scope.
So, to calculate the audit days and related work for the CB auditor, you shall consider the whole number of employees of these sites.
Pls, other expert Covers correct me if I am wrong.
:bigwave:
 
#3
If I remember correctly, this item refers to an eventual portion of manufacturing site that is far from the mfg site on the audit scope.
If this portion is also part of the mfg process flow, it shall be audited as well and included in the certificate of ISO TS for the requesting organization.
Usually it is referred as the "5 miles site" clause in IATF sanctioned interpretation, in the sense that it is "near" to the site under the audit scope.
So, to calculate the audit days and related work for the CB auditor, you shall consider the whole number of employees of these sites.
Pls, other expert Covers correct me if I am wrong.
:bigwave:
The IATF communique 2008-2 talks to this subject. There is no '5 Mile rule'. An extension is a location which cannot meet all the TS requirements and requires support from the 'mother ship' (my words)
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#5
The IATF communique 2008-2 talks to this subject. There is no '5 Mile rule'. An extension is a location which cannot meet all the TS requirements and requires support from the 'mother ship' (my words)
There is a five-mile rule, but it's not what people usually think it is. The rule states that the CB auditor will be at least five miles away before anyone in the organization realizes he was wrong about a nonconformity finding. :tg:
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
#6
The IATF communique 2008-2 talks to this subject. There is no '5 Mile rule'. An extension is a location which cannot meet all the TS requirements and requires support from the 'mother ship' (my words)

TS-16949 makes a distinction between a remote support location (non-mfg) and a remote site extension which does have manufactuing activities. I believe the distinction is required because a site extension is considered in the fees a CB must pay to IAOB/IATF.
 

somashekar

Staff member
Super Moderator
#7
Manufacturing extension can be an other site not within the address of the client, but is a part of the QMS where manufacturing activity happens., OR an other entity where manufacturing activities happen and could be a subject to audit of the client who has such agreements made with that entity.
Not all activities of a QMS are under one roof, and more so these days when outsourcing is a key business alternative to harness the expertise of available resources.
 
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