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Rob Nix
Since Cari's head hurting is an output, these posts are the inputs, and reading them is the process, then the product is pain, and product realization is that dull throbbing she is experiencing. 
Our core product (as explained by Roxane) is machines. The product realization processes, as we have defined them, are therefore sales, proposals, design, purchasing, receiving, manufacturing, shipping - all the direct activities which result in a machine being shipped to a customer.
Our support processes are training, auditing, accounting, management review, corrrective and preventive actions, etc. They are not part of product realization.
The above is in line with ISO9K2K. The only thing I do not agree with in ISO is that 7.6 (measurement device control) IMO is a support function, not product realization (which is where they put it).
Our core product (as explained by Roxane) is machines. The product realization processes, as we have defined them, are therefore sales, proposals, design, purchasing, receiving, manufacturing, shipping - all the direct activities which result in a machine being shipped to a customer.
Our support processes are training, auditing, accounting, management review, corrrective and preventive actions, etc. They are not part of product realization.
The above is in line with ISO9K2K. The only thing I do not agree with in ISO is that 7.6 (measurement device control) IMO is a support function, not product realization (which is where they put it).
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vanputten
I beleive that the desire for interpretation is effected by our awareness, competency, and opportunities for exposure, learning, understanding, and eventually knowledge.
Can anyone name a standard, a regulatory requirement, or a piece of literature that does not require interpretation for understanding? Since when is language precise?
If someone can write it, I think we would all welcome it.
By the way, if we were fluent in Japanese, the Lean terms would be much clearer. Of all of the lean terms that I have been exposed to, they have been common words in Japanese.
We should look at the industry specific words we use at our jobs. If we took someone from a different industry, I bet they would need defintions of the words used that are spcific to the organization and the industry.
Language is not precise.
Regards, Dirk
Can anyone name a standard, a regulatory requirement, or a piece of literature that does not require interpretation for understanding? Since when is language precise?
If someone can write it, I think we would all welcome it.
By the way, if we were fluent in Japanese, the Lean terms would be much clearer. Of all of the lean terms that I have been exposed to, they have been common words in Japanese.
We should look at the industry specific words we use at our jobs. If we took someone from a different industry, I bet they would need defintions of the words used that are spcific to the organization and the industry.
Language is not precise.
Regards, Dirk
Rob Nix said:Since Cari's head hurting is an output, these posts are the inputs, and reading them is the process, then the product is pain, and product realization is that dull throbbing she is experiencing.
LOL - good one, Rob.
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Jim Howe
Cari Spears said:
I am with you Cari! But I will add I hear the footsteps of corporate America leaving the building!
:truce: 
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FahdNasser
product realization evidences
hi everybody
Can any body give evidences on product realization?
hi everybodyCan any body give evidences on product realization?
Helmut Jilling
Auditor / Consultant
I thought it was a goofy term when it came out. I assumed it was a result of what sometimes happens when a huge committee from many languages tries to precisely create a meaningful phrase. I suspect a committee of only native English speaking folks might not have come up with that particular phrase.
It is the linguist equivlent of "a camel is a horse designed by a committee," (for those who are familiar with that particular joke).
I usually tell my clients it simply refers to the process of "Realizing" an actual product from Design Concepts to Finished Production. We "realized" or developed a product.
It is the linguist equivlent of "a camel is a horse designed by a committee," (for those who are familiar with that particular joke).
I usually tell my clients it simply refers to the process of "Realizing" an actual product from Design Concepts to Finished Production. We "realized" or developed a product.
People involved with international standards development know some of the compromises which have to be reached in order to make a certain terms translatable to multiple languages, one of the challenges faced by the TC 176.
As ISO 9001 attempts to satisfy the needs of non-manufacturing organizations, private and governmental entities, I personally believe that "product realization" is not too bad.
Does anyone have other suggestions for "product realization"?
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