SBS - The best value in QMS software

What is the difference between 7.4.1 (2008) and 8.4.1 (2015)?

qualprod

Trusted Information Resource
#1
Hi all

What is the difference between 7.4.1 (2008) and 8.4.1 (2015)?

7.4.1

The organization shall evaluate and select suppliers based on their ability to supply product in accordance with the organization's requirements. Criteria for selection, evaluation and re-evaluation shall be established.

8.4.1

The organization shall determine and apply criteria for the evaluation, selection, monitoring of performance, and re-evaluation of external providers.

What I note is the reorder of terms selection and evaluations and also noted the monitoring of performance.
the Monitoring of performance, is it the evaluation we did in 2008 ?

Could someone explain it?

Thanks
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

AMIT BALLAL

Trusted Information Resource
#3
Hi all

What is the difference between 7.4.1 (2008) and 8.4.1 (2015)?

7.4.1

The organization shall evaluate and select suppliers based on their ability to supply product in accordance with the organization's requirements. Criteria for selection, evaluation and re-evaluation shall be established.

8.4.1

The organization shall determine and apply criteria for the evaluation, selection, monitoring of performance, and re-evaluation of external providers.

What I note is the reorder of terms selection and evaluations and also noted the monitoring of performance.
the Monitoring of performance, is it the evaluation we did in 2008 ?

Could someone explain it?

Thanks
Evaluation and performance monitoring are different. Earlier standard didn't ask for the supplier performance monitoring, new standard does. This supplier performance monitoring can include parameters such as quality, delivery performance. You can determine the criteria and parameters based on needs of your organization.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#4
Evaluation and performance monitoring are different. Earlier standard didn't ask for the supplier performance monitoring, new standard does. This supplier performance monitoring can include parameters such as quality, delivery performance. You can determine the criteria and parameters based on needs of your organization.
It boils down to the same stinking thing, just a different play on words
 

AMIT BALLAL

Trusted Information Resource
#5
It boils down to the same stinking thing, just a different play on words
I agree with you randy. Supplier performance was being monitored as part of supplier evaluation by most organizations. But now the standard clearly specifies "Supplier monitoring" as a requirement. Earlier there was an option whether to monitor the supplier performance or not, now there isn't. Again, is it beneficial to organization? Definitely yes, IMHO.
 

qualprod

Trusted Information Resource
#6
Thanks Amit and Randy
Why the standard it states monitoring of performance and reevaluation separated?
When doing the reevaluation, it is supposed, the data of suppliers is tàken into consideration.
Thanks
 

John C. Abnet

Teacher, sensei, kennari
#7
Good day @ qualprod;
In a practical sense, there is little to no change/impact in regards to the intent of 7.4.1 vs. 8.4.1.

What the authors have done, however, is to remove any doubt regarding the inclusiveness and intent of the clause.

Key clarifications (I will use the term "clarifications" instead of changes...)…
1- The clause now identifies clearly what product and services are included....i.e.
a) products and services from external providers are intended for incorporation into the organization’s own products and services
b) products and services are provided directly to the customer(s) by external providers on behalf of the organization;
c) a process, or part of a process is provided by an external provider as a result of a decision by the organization.
2- Added specificity regarding the need to monitor performance ..
-"... monitoring of performance..."

Many (most?) companies compliant to ISO 9001:2008 were already including these intentions/provisions in their process activity.

Hope this helps. Be well.
 
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
S What's the difference between BS 18004 & BS 18002 (2008) Occupational Health & Safety Management Standards 3
M Difference between "Production Trial Run" and "Run at Rate" IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 6
A What is the difference between Design Process, Process Design and Design Control? 21 CFR Part 820 - US FDA Quality System Regulations (QSR) 2
R What's the major difference between Green Belt and Black Belt in term of training and project Six Sigma 3
T Difference between a subcontractor and a supplier ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 21
H Difference between Stainless Steel 316 ASTM F899 and ASTM A276 Other Medical Device Related Standards 3
A Exact terms for a plating failure and difference between rejection rate and failure rate Manufacturing and Related Processes 9
M Difference between MSA and MSE? General Measurement Device and Calibration Topics 1
gramps What is the difference between discrete and continuous variables? Problem Solving, Root Cause Fault and Failure Analysis 5
JoCam Difference between Approval and Registration - ISO 13485:2016 ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
S Difference between EU-MDR Annex IX and the Annex-combo X&XI EU Medical Device Regulations 2
T ISO 17025:2017 Clause 4.2.2 - The difference between "be notified" and "be informed" ISO 17025 related Discussions 4
Jimmy123 What is the difference between Error Proofing and Controls? ISO/IATF 16949 - Control Plans FMEA and Control Plans 16
C IEC 60601-1-8, difference between table 4 and annex D IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 2
A What is the difference between Basic UDI-DI and UDI-DI? EU Medical Device Regulations 6
Q What is the difference between AS9100D 9.3.2.f and 9.3.3.a AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 8
M Aluminum - What is the difference between 6061-T6 and 6061-T651 (both per ASTM B211)? Manufacturing and Related Processes 4
P What is the exact difference between Risk and Opportunity in context of ISO 27001? IEC 27001 - Information Security Management Systems (ISMS) 7
S Difference between Surface Finish (Ra) and Flatness (GD&T) Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 6
O Air Flow - Which is the operational difference between LAF (vertical and horizontal) and RLAF? Manufacturing and Related Processes 2
S What the difference is between Stub Acme & Acme thread? Oil and Gas Industry Standards and Regulations 1
S DO 178B - What is the difference between review and verification? Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Standards and Requirements 1
T The difference between SOP and Kaizen Standardization Lean in Manufacturing and Service Industries 2
K Difference between intended purpose and intended use of the device EU Medical Device Regulations 9
Q What is the difference between normal and licensed internal auditor? VDA Standards - Germany's Automotive Standards 9
J What is the difference between Process Variation and Tolerance? Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 4
O Difference Between PFMEA & Control Plan FMEA and Control Plans 3
S Difference between an Advisory Notice (ISO 13485) and a Field Safety Notice? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 3
T Difference between "data analysis" and "management review" ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 4
D Difference between uncertainty and expanded uncertainty of measurement General Measurement Device and Calibration Topics 1
S EASA Part 145 - The difference between non-certifying staff and Certifying staff Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Standards and Requirements 2
S The difference between a Medical Device Accessory and Component Canada Medical Device Regulations 2
S What is the difference between a service request and a complaint? ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 2
I What is the difference between OOS/OOT Imported Legacy Blogs 3
A Definition Difference between Quality System Procedure and Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) Definitions, Acronyms, Abbreviations and Interpretations Listed Alphabetically 4
Q Difference between Monitor & Measurement ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 4
T QA vs. RA - The difference between QA and RA Coffee Break and Water Cooler Discussions 6
A Difference between Discrimination and Least Count IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
K Difference between Medical Electrical Equipment and Medical Equipment System IEC 60601 - Medical Electrical Equipment Safety Standards Series 2
M Usability Standard - The difference between IEC 60601-1-6 to IEC 62336 Human Factors and Ergonomics in Engineering 1
S What is the difference between Verification and Validation of Test Reports? AS9100, IAQG, NADCAP and Aerospace related Standards and Requirements 5
A Difference between ISO 9001:2015 Clauses 8.1 and 8.5.1 ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 8
M IATF 16949 Cl. 8.4.2.2 vs 8.6.5 - Is there any difference between these clauses? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 7
C What is the difference between "Overall Risk" and "Risk"? (ISO 14971) ISO 14971 - Medical Device Risk Management 10
C The difference between a Critical Dimension vs. Critical Characteristic Misc. Quality Assurance and Business Systems Related Topics 2
A ISO 9001:2015 - The difference between 6.1.1b and 6.1.1d - IMHO, d) implies b) ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 1
A Difference between requirement for 4.4.1a (inputs) and 4.4.1d (resources needed)? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 3
R The difference between Feasibility Assessment and Contract Review Contract Review Process 2
V Difference between Non-Conformance, Variance and Deviation ISO 13485:2016 - Medical Device Quality Management Systems 7
A Difference between Environmental Impact and Risk ISO 14001:2015 Specific Discussions 7

Similar threads

Top Bottom