What is the exact meaning of "calendar year"? TS2-Rules2 clause 4.13

[Jackson_kan]

TS2-Rules2 clause 4.13 said: Failure to conduct a minimun of 25 ISO/TS 16949:2002 site audits per calendar year will result in cancellation of IATF recognition.
just dont really understand "calendar year".
from Jan 1st to Dec 31 of the year is a calendar year? but what's the difference from "year"?

 

[Howard Atkins]

I think that the meaning is that it must be in the period between Jan to December.

It is possible to do more than 25 audits in a period of 12 months but in the end not to do 25 in a specific year.

 

[Rea]

This reference clause 4.13 ISO/TS 16949 Rules for achieving IATF recognition is in reference to the certification bodies

 

[Jeff Frost]

The IAOB web sites Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition 2nd Ed Sanctioned Interpretations document states that “Calendar Year” is the first 12 months following the Recognition date and per calendar year thereafter.

My friendly Webster’s II New College Dictionary defines “Calendar Year” as a "year". I would ask your registrar what they consider a “Calendar Year” but I would default to a standard calendar for ease of tracking.

Example: From Recognition date of July 2004 to July 2005 completed 25 audits. January 2005 to July 2005 completed 14 audits for calendar year 2005.

Again I would ask your registrar for their definition.

 

[Bill Pflanz]

It is somewhat surprising that there can be different definitions for calendar year. If you work with accountants, it is not uncommon to talk about a fiscal year which marks the beginning and end of how the accounting numbers are reported. The fiscal year can be the same as the calendar year (January - December) but it can begin and end on any month of the year. Some companies like to end the year on a high note so they may have the final financial report for the year issued on September 30 if that is traditionally a strong quarter. An example would be the oil companies that make more money during the summer driving season.

Defining a calendar year as something different than January - December seems to be an oxymoron.

Bill Pflanz

 

[Jackson_kan]

waiting for a bottomline

Thank you all. but Bill, do u mean calendar year refers Jan to Dec.? but how do u think Jeff said above:
"The IAOB web sites Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition 2nd Ed Sanctioned Interpretations document states that “Calendar Year” is the first 12 months following the Recognition date and per calendar year thereafter."?

 

[Bill Pflanz]

Thank you all. but Bill, do u mean calendar year refers Jan to Dec.? but how do u think Jeff said above:
"The IAOB web sites Rules for Achieving IATF Recognition 2nd Ed Sanctioned Interpretations document states that “Calendar Year” is the first 12 months following the Recognition date and per calendar year thereafter."?

My intent was not to disagree with how IAOB defined calendar year. If they want to define it as described, they are free to do it. I just thought it was unusual that they would redefine the commonly accepted definition of calendar year as Jan to Dec into a new definition. If they wanted to change the definition, I guess they could have said a calendar in their world meant the first 18 months after the recognition date.

In reading the rule, it may be that the first calendar year is the first 12 months after the recognition date but every year after that you revert to the normal calendar year definition. Knowing how specific auditors can be about wording of policies and procedures, you would think IAOB would be clearer on their own standards.

Bill Pflanz

 

[Jim Wynne]

My intent was not to disagree with how IAOB defined calendar year. If they want to define it as described, they are free to do it. I just thought it was unusual that they would redefine the commonly accepted definition of calendar year as Jan to Dec into a new definition. If they wanted to change the definition, I guess they could have said a calendar in their world meant the first 18 months after the recognition date.

In reading the rule, it may be that the first calendar year is the first 12 months after the recognition date but every year after that you revert to the normal calendar year definition. Knowing how specific auditors can be about wording of policies and procedures, you would think IAOB would be clearer on their own standards.

Bill Pflanz

If the standards were written clearly there would be no need for sanctioned interpretations.

 

[Tim Folkerts]

I read this rule as meaning 25 audits in the first 12 months in addition to 25 audits every calendar year.

So if you register in July 2004, you have to be able to documents 25 audits in the periods:
* July 2004 - June 2005
* Jan 2005 - Dec 2005
* Jan 2006 - Dec 2006
* ...

That avoids the problem of registering in December but having to complete 25 audits in one month. Or the reverse problem - registering in Feb but allowing 23 months to complete the 25 audits.

Tim F

 

[vanputten]

Hello All:

The TS 2 Rules were written by the IATF. The IATF is made up of automotive OEM's and industry associations. The rules that are being discussed here are rules for external auditors that work for certification bodies.

Maybe this thread should be listed also in the "Registrars and Registration" forum? It might be interesting to see what the members of the "Registrars and Registration" forum have to say?

If you really want to know what the IATF means by "Calendar year", I would first contact your certification body. If not your CB, then contact the IATF.

Again, this is a rule for external auditors performing certification audits to TS 16949:2002.

Jackson_kan: Why did you ask the question?

Sanctioned interpretations do not resolve the ambiguity of language. They perpetuate it.

The Koala bear eats, shoots, and leaves.

Regards, Dirk