What is the ISO 9001:2008 certificate status after 15 Sep 2018?

qcman

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I was talking to our registrar and during the course of conversation about the September crunch time they mentioned that they have some 9001-2015 audits scheduled on the 14th. This got me wondering what will happen since they obviously will not make the deadline? She stated there were more than a few facing this situation. If there is enough will there be a grace period or will they just lose registration history?
 
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Jen Kirley

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#2
I know of no grace period. Doing an audit on September 14 would mean no nonconformities - or else doing all the steps before midnight - and then there is of course a review of documents and then certificate issuance. Maybe this registrar is bringing their blank certificates and printer with them? :notme:
 

Ajit Basrur

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#3
Per https://www.iso.org/files/live/site...df/en/iso_9001_-_moving_from_2008_to_2015.pdf

Page 7 of 8 states,

"If you wish to maintain your certification to ISO*9001, you will need to upgrade your quality management system to the new edition of the standard and seek certification to it. You have a three-year transition period from the date of publication (September 2015) to move to the 2015 version. This means that, after the end of September 2018, a certificate to ISO*9001:2008 will no longer be valid"

Would that mean certificates are valid until end of Sep 2018?
 

Sidney Vianna

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Per https://www.iso.org/files/live/site...df/en/iso_9001_-_moving_from_2008_to_2015.pdf

Page 7 of 8 states,

"If you wish to maintain your certification to ISO*9001, you will need to upgrade your quality management system to the new edition of the standard and seek certification to it. You have a three-year transition period from the date of publication (September 2015) to move to the 2015 version. This means that, after the end of September 2018, a certificate to ISO*9001:2008 will no longer be valid"

Would that mean certificates are valid until end of Sep 2018?
Ajit, as you know, ISO has no authority over validity of accredited certificates. That paper is promotional material, and, as you pointed out, it just muddle the waters. The ISO secretariat, that is certified to ISO 9001, should receive a nonconformity from it's CB (SQS) for failure to provide precise and accurate information (communication) about it's products. :notme:

The IAF is the entity that can determine deadlines for accredited certification. In the resolutions from the Vancouver meeting, it clearly states:

IAF Resolution 2017-13 – (Agenda Item 9) Transitional Arrangements for the ISO 9001:2015 and ISO 14001:2015 - The General Assembly, acting on the recommendation of the Technical Committee, resolved that at the end of the transition period, 15 September 2018, all ISO 9001:2008 and ISO 14001:2004 certifications shall expire or be withdrawn.
So, technically, if an organization does not have it's certificate to the 2015 Edition issued by the end of the day (the 15th), the old certificate should be deemed invalid.

In practical terms, for the most part, that is an issue between the registrants and the stakeholders that demand them to be certified. If a customer accepts an expired certificate for whatever length of time beyond their expiration, nothing anyone can do about that.
 
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Randy

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That's what I'm seeing right now with a couple of organizations that decided to redo the entire process, Stage 1, Stage 2, etc...
 

qcman

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#6
** If a customer accepts an expired certificate for whatever length of time beyond their expiration, nothing anyone can do about that. **

If a supplier is in good customer standing and working to get certified I see no other real choice than for the customer to except the situation. The registrar would/should report the laps to your customer base. On the technical side of having an expired certificate and subsequently gaining certification to 2015 would you lose your original certification date? In other words if you originally received certification to 9001-2000 in 2001 would you lose that 14 years of history?
 
#7
I was talking to our registrar and during the course of conversation about the September crunch time they mentioned that they have some 9001-2015 audits scheduled on the 14th. This got me wondering what will happen since they obviously will not make the deadline? She stated there were more than a few facing this situation. If there is enough will there be a grace period or will they just lose registration history?
My experience is that the registrar will be "in process" with the new certificate (audit complete, admin processing case file kinda thing) and they will roll over to 2015. I'm left wondering if the auditors have been told NOT to write majors.

If a major is written, surely, if the Sept date occurs before the client can respond with C/A, the cert should be removed?
 

Golfman25

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The world will obviously end.

If you had the audit by 9/15 and paper is just processing I see no reason to panic. By the time anything was done the paperwork would be finished anyway.
 
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