Colin
Quite Involved in Discussions
As some of you may know, I am in the process of getting a 2 day QMS IA course registered with IRCA here in the UK - in fact it is being assessed on Thursday and Friday of this week.
Imagine my surprise when I have just received an email telling me that the course criteria have changed! OK, it won't affect this week but the changes have to be implemented by 31st July 2013.
The main point though is a statement in the covering information which says:
The aim of this course is to provide students with the knowledge and skills required to perform an internal audit of part of a quality management system based on ISO 9001 (or equivalent) and report on the effective implementation and maintenance of the management system in accordance with ISO 19011.
Note to Training Organisations ? Where applicable, reference to internal auditors determining conformity to the management system standard will be removed from internal auditor training criteria as they are updated. This is the role of the Auditor/Lead Auditor Training course. (my Bold)
Clause 8.2.2 of ISO 9001 states that '... conduct internal audits at planned intervals to determine whether the QMS a) conforms to planned arrangements, to the requirements of this International Standard .... (my Bold again)
The question is, if internal auditors don't do this check, who does? Is this saying that all organisations need to have an Auditor/Lead Auditor in their ranks?
Imagine my surprise when I have just received an email telling me that the course criteria have changed! OK, it won't affect this week but the changes have to be implemented by 31st July 2013.
The main point though is a statement in the covering information which says:
The aim of this course is to provide students with the knowledge and skills required to perform an internal audit of part of a quality management system based on ISO 9001 (or equivalent) and report on the effective implementation and maintenance of the management system in accordance with ISO 19011.
Note to Training Organisations ? Where applicable, reference to internal auditors determining conformity to the management system standard will be removed from internal auditor training criteria as they are updated. This is the role of the Auditor/Lead Auditor Training course. (my Bold)
Clause 8.2.2 of ISO 9001 states that '... conduct internal audits at planned intervals to determine whether the QMS a) conforms to planned arrangements, to the requirements of this International Standard .... (my Bold again)
The question is, if internal auditors don't do this check, who does? Is this saying that all organisations need to have an Auditor/Lead Auditor in their ranks?