What to expect in a GE Aerospace Audit of a 100 Person Machine Shop

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CGarveyX

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Hi fellow Cove members,

The company I work for (a 100 person machine shop) is going to be audited by GE Aerospace early next year and I was wondering if anyone who has gone through this can tell me what to expect. We are certified to AS9100C and the survey they sent over basically follows that clause by clause. If the actual audit is along those lines, it appears it is basically going to be like an AS9100 Stage 2 audit.

Any thoughts or comments appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Sidney Vianna

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Re: GE Aerospace Audit

Any thoughts or comments appreciated. Thanks!
While customers can audit suppliers whenever they want, GE Aircraft Engines is an OEM that supports the IAQG ICOP Scheme and is committed to avoid redundant supplier QMS audits, if the supplier has the QMS certified to a proper standard, such as the AS9100.

For the most part, OEMs that support the IAQG ICOP Scheme would perform process and product related audits of suppliers and "trust" the QMS certtificate, UNLESS they have reasons to believe that the certified system is not up to standard and they want to validate not only the supplier QMS but also the certificate itself.

Some OEM's (e.g. Boeing) perform validation audits of certified suppliers to ensure that, indeed, a supplier has "certifiable" system. Another way of performing oversight of the registrars involved in the ICOP Scheme.

But, if I were you, I would try to clarify the scope of the upcoming audit and, if, indeed, they will be performing a QMS audit, you should ask why they don't rely on your AS9100 certificate for that. It would be a fair question to ask.
 

Wes Bucey

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Re: GE Aerospace Audit

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For the most part, OEMs that support the IAQG ICOP Scheme would perform process and product related audits of suppliers and "trust" the QMS certtificate, UNLESS they have reasons to believe that the certified system is not up to standard and they want to validate not only the supplier QMS but also the certificate itself.

Some OEM's (e.g. Boeing) perform validation audits of certified suppliers to ensure that, indeed, a supplier has "certifiable" system. Another way of performing oversight of the registrars involved in the ICOP Scheme.

But, if I were you, I would try to clarify the scope of the upcoming audit and, if, indeed, they will be performing a QMS audit, you should ask why they don't rely on your AS9100 certificate for that. It would be a fair question to ask.
I presume this audit is part of GE's approval process BEFORE they consider whether to give you an order. If you are already shipping product, SOMEBODY in your organization has a pretty good idea why they are coming.

Here's the deal:
it costs money to send an audit team, so OEMs don't spend money to perform a redundant audit (e.g. if you've already been audited by competent, respected 3rd party to get registered) UNLESS they are suspicious (of the company or the 3rd party auditor) or there is some aspect of the production system they want/need assurance about before committing to either a first order or a new order for a particularly critical product.

You don't indicate where you are on the totem pole in your organization, but big OEMs, like GE, are big sticklers for "chain of command" and do not look kindly on organizations or individuals who try to leapfrog the chain, so be judicious in getting an answer from GE, especially since someone in your organization may already know.

Internally, you can couch the question thus:
"Does anyone in our organization know exactly why GE is auditing us? Will they be looking at the same stuff the AS guys looked at or are they more interested in process capability and capacity?"
Regardless, Sidney's advice is sound - ASK!
(and keep asking until you get the answer provided by the decision maker - GE, not us lowly Cove denizens.)
 
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CGarveyX

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Thank you for the responses! Indeed we are in the stages of getting approved to be a GE Aerospace supplier. We have just started quoting work for them, but have not yet received an order nor has anyone from GE ever been at our facility.

I work closely with the quality manager on most everything related to our QMS and we just weren't sure what the scope of their audit would be. Sadly the most obvious solution (asking GE) didn't cross our minds.

:bonk:
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
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Thank you for the responses! Indeed we are in the stages of getting approved to be a GE Aerospace supplier. We have just started quoting work for them, but have not yet received an order nor has anyone from GE ever been at our facility.

I work closely with the quality manager on most everything related to our QMS and we just weren't sure what the scope of their audit would be. Sadly the most obvious solution (asking GE) didn't cross our minds.

:bonk:
You should both ask the guy in your organization who dealt with GE to get this far in the process. He may know exactly what they want, especially since most OEMs don't waste time auditing to the Standard when a supplier already has a certificate of registration from a respected CB.
 
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