When will people learn the difference between OHSAS and ISO standards?

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tsmith7858

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I went to a webinar today that was put together by a consultant to review different Food Safety Standards and their relationship (in particular GFSI accepted standards).

During the presentation the consultant decided to flex her ISO knowledge and listed the following::notme:

ISO 9001 Quality Management Systems
ISO 14000 Environmental Management Systems
ISO 18000 Occupational Health and Safety
ISO 22000 Food Safety Management Systems

Thinking that it may have been a slip, I went to the consultants web site and found this::bonk:

Learn from industry experts about:
  • Quality Management System Development
  • ISO 9000 Implementation & Maintenance
  • HACCP Plan Development & Implementation
  • GMP, Sanitation, Process Evaluations & Troubleshooting
  • ISO 14000 Environmental Services
  • ISO 18001 Occupational Health & Safety Assessment Series
  • Training Programs Developed for Your Specific Needs
  • ISO 22000, PAS 220, SQF & BRC
How is it a consultant does not have this correct? :mad:
 
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Howard Atkins

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#2
Re: When will people learn the difference between OHSAS and ISO?

Why are you so surprised

A shepherd was herding his flock in a remote pasture when suddenly a brand-new BMW advanced out of a dust cloud towards him. The driver, a young man in a Broni suit, Gucci shoes, Ray Ban sunglasses and YSL tie, leans out the window and asks the shepherd, "If I tell you exactly how many sheep you have in your flock, will you give me one?"

The shepherd looks at the man, obviously a yuppie, then looks at his peacefully grazing flock and calmly answers, "Sure. Why not?"

The yuppie parks his car, whips out his Dell notebook computer, connects it to his AT&T cell phone, surfs to a NASA page on the internet, where he calls up a GPS satellite navigation system to get an exact fix on his location which he then feeds to another NASA satellite that scans the area in an ultra-high-resolution photo.

The young man then opens the digital photo in Adobe Photoshop and exports it to an image processing facility in Hamburg, Germany. Within seconds, he receives an email on his Palm Pilot that the image has been processed and the data stored. He then accesses a MS-SQL database through an ODBC connected Excel spreadsheet with hundreds of complex formulas. He uploads all of this data via an email on his Blackberry and, after a few minutes, receives a response. Finally, he prints out a full-color, 150-page report on his hi-tech, miniaturized HP LaserJet printer and finally turns to the shepherd and says, "You have exactly 1586 sheep."

"That's right. Well, I guess you can take one of my sheep." says the shepherd. He watches the young man select one of the animals and looks on amused as the young man stuffs it into the trunk of his car.

Then the shepherd says to the young man, "Hey, if I can tell you exactly what your business is, will you give me back my sheep?"

The young man thinks about it for a second and then says, "Okay, why not?"

"You're a consultant." says the shepherd.

"Wow! That's correct," says the yuppie, "but how did you guess that?"

"No guessing required." answered the shepherd. "You showed up here even though nobody called you; you want to get paid for an answer I already knew; to a question I never asked; and you don't know crap about my business ....

" ... Now give me back my dog."


How else can we choose how to use:cool::bonk:

You do not need to have any qualifications to be a consultant other than a business card:agree1:
 

Jen Kirley

Quality and Auditing Expert
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Re: When will people learn the difference between OHSAS and ISO?

Have mercy. I also slip up and call it ISO 18001 sometimes. :eek:
 

Randy

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Yep:yes:

P.T Barnum had something to say that probably fits here..."There's a sucker born every minute" along with "Every crowd has a silver lining"
 
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JaneB

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How is it a consultant does not have this correct? :mad:
You don't seriously believe that in any field, any industry, any area, that there aren't (alas) dopy, poor/less than professional examples to be found? Do you? (If you do, boy, do I have a proposition for you)

Last time I looked, there were some pretty bloody ordinary (to put it mildly) Quality Managers, Quality Engineers and the like around, qualifications or no qualifications.

Consulting is the same as any other field - there's good, bad and indifferent ones out there. Caveat emptor.
 
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tsmith7858

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Yep:yes:

P.T Barnum had something to say that probably fits here..."There's a sucker born every minute" along with "Every crowd has a silver lining"

"I'm not unemployeed - I'm a consultant."
"A consultant is someone who saves his client almost enough to pay his fee."
"A consultant is someone who takes your watch away to tell you what time it is"


Enough with the bashing though. JaneB, I am aware that there are good counsultants as well as the bad ones. It is just a little annoying when an "expert" is offering to teach you something that does not exist.
 

Helmut Jilling

Auditor / Consultant
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Re: When will people learn the difference between OHSAS and ISO?

Have mercy. I also slip up and call it ISO 18001 sometimes. :eek:
It does not help that the OHSAS 18001 "standard" is almost word for word identical to the ISO 14001 standard. The few differences are almost negligible. I sometimes wonder why they did not just publish an extension to ISO 14001 to address the additional words.

PS: ease up on the consultants there, folks. Some of us actually perform worthwhile work...:truce:
 
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