Where can I purchase OHSAS 18001?

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David Mullins

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Re: Accredited OHSAS 18001 certificate

Sidney Vianna said:
David,
as I mentioned before, SINCERT (Italy) has developed and Accreditation Scheme of Occupational Health and Safety Management Systems. DNV has attained accreditation there.

RvA and ANSI-RAB are developing their accreditation schemes as well. Probably the RvA will be operational soon.

So, yes one can attain an accredited certificate to OHSAS 18001 under the Italian Scheme. Obviuosly the organization seeking certification needs NOT to be in Italy.

Sidney, you're VERY, VERY lucky. I wrote a lengthy response to this post yesterday, but just before I finished, an excavator dug through the cable and *pop*, lights out.

I'm trying to help a guy in the UK, and you're giving me a totally unrelated, spagetti accredited, OSHA compliant advertisement for yourself.

What is the $value of this certificate in down-town California?

I'm sure you could pick up a DNV spagetti certificate at Pier 1 or China town in San Francisco, for the price of the cereal box it came in, and it would still be worthless.

Who are the poor suckers that have been deceived by your company into paying for this spagetti certificate?
Name them, unless this spagetti certificate is a ribbon of shame. Do companies pay to be embarrassed now?

DNV: Deliver No Value?
 
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Randy

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#22
I'll jump in for Sid here David.

Any business entity that wants be a leader should manage every aspect of it's operations, that includes the overlooked areas of environmental and safety. Both E&S issues can (at least here in the civilized part of the world) can be extremely costly if not managed as a core part of the total operation.

Example: A few years ago I worked in EHS for a Fortune 100 corporation. The part of the corporation I worked for actually considered employees an expendable comodity. Consequently we ran up in 1 year alone $3.4 million in workers compensation costs. We had 390+ OSHA reportable injuries (900 employee company) and about 2 dozen people on disability at home. Somewhere the lights came on and within 18 months we brought that down to about $400K and 2 or 3 folks on disability. We did that by making it a core part of the operation. We didn't use OHSAS 18001, but the system we set in place would mirror it.

Answer me this Old Mystic One of the Outback...How much business would your organization have to do to recoup $3.4 million (US) workers compensation costs. These costs in the US are born by the company and come out of profit..no government assistance.

I push for OHSAS 18001 or any other program like it. Here in the states ANSI Z.10 may be used when finalized. OHSAS 18001 goes a little beyond a government program known as OSHA VPP that helps establish a framework for safety management and is also voluntary.

PS...Do I detect a little prejudice in the spagetti comments? As for naming companies, Sid probably can't because of his position and confidentiality issues.
 

Sidney Vianna

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#23
David, I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because I am not so sure how to read your e-mail. Maybe you were incensed due to your power outage.

If you go back through this thread, you will see that people were asking or making comments about the possibility of attaining ACCREDITED certification to OHSAS 18001. My post was to clarify that. You posted a comment, using DNV as a a source, stating that it was NOT possible to attain an accredited certificate to that Std. However, that information is OUTDATED.

One of the nice things abouth this forum is that you have access to professionals that are in the forefront of what is happening in this business.

The value of non-accredited certificates is up to the certified organization to decide, as long as they are not deceived by the certifier about the "credentials" of the certificate.

A non-accredited certificate is the ONLY option available to an organization seeking a third-party attestation that their system conforms to a Standard to which no accreditation scheme exists. Concerning the organizations that have attained certification to the Standard, there is no secret. One can go to our website, search our list of clients by Std, and you will find them.

And, David, if you think accreditation is the only thing that adds value to a management system certificate, you need to re-think your position.
 
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David Mullins

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I just have a problem with people flogging non-accredited certificates, as a money making exercise. Might as well buy your qualifications off the internet.

The accreditation ensures (we wished) that the service provider is performing the audit to a minimum standards for competency, etc.

I personally believe that the companies on your website, listed with OHSAS certification, should have kept their money. But hey, fools and their money...
 
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David Mullins

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Randy said:
PS...Do I detect a little prejudice in the spagetti comments?

I thought the Italian Job accreditation was hilarious. Spagetti certification, is a parallel to "spagetti westerns". Made cheap and nasty in Italy, then American voices dubbed over. Sounded like much the same deal for a DNV OHSAS18001 certification to me.


As for the $3.4Million compo bills, the bottom line needed to change. The fact that it meant improving worker safety would appear to be coincidental.


Randy said:
How much business would your organization have to do to recoup $3.4 million (US)
Actual answer: one small project.
Comic answer: How much is that in Australian dollars? I think you could buy Australia for that much. Oh, wait, I think you already did!
 

Sidney Vianna

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#26
The value of accreditation

David, working for an organization that is accredited in 22 different countries for multiple schemes, believe me when I say that I do know the value of accreditation.

I also know that there are organizations that do not want to wait before they have their systems assessed against a standard, to which no accreditation scheme exists. So, non-accredited certificates for sectors in which THERE IS NO ACCREDITATION BODY, serve a purpose.

Furthermore, while accreditation enhances (it does NOT ensure) the competency requirements and integrity of assessments, there are organizations that will do the right thing, even if they are not required to do so, due to the lack of an accreditation scheme.

In the mean time, I believe that the accreditation bodies have to improve a LOT their processes to establish competence requirements for auditors, and their policing practices, if they are to deliver on our expectations.
 
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