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Where is Personnel Safety in IATF 16949:2016

Rameshwar25

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In ISO/TS 16949:2009, there was a requirement for personnel safety in clause 6.4.1. Pl read below text
"6.4.1 Personnel safety to achieve conformity to product requirements
Product safety and means to minimize potential risks to employees shall be addressed by the organization,
especially in the design and development process and in manufacturing process activities."

I do not see any such requirement specifically addressed for personnel safety. Can someone explain whether has it been removed now? Does IATF not consider human safety at work place now?
 
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Sidney Vianna

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Look @ IATF 16949 - Requirements for Personnel Safety? thread. They might have seen the light...what an incredible concept...you want to manage the risks related to health and safety of the workforce? What about having a dedicated management system standard, such as ISO 45001? Wouldn't that make much more sense than trying to accomplish that with a freaking paragraph in a QMS Standard? They might have seen the light...;)

And just to remind us all, you see? They are wearing gloves:

 
Marc

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As a side note: Sidney has posted some things here on topics which I believe are important to the future. I mean, really important.

I looked at the YouTube video and yes - I have seen that. Especially pre-1995. I will say that the video does not, in my opinion, represent companies I have been involved with in quite a few years, anywhere. I'm certainly not saying that none still exist. I am saying that this type of abuse is, again - My belief - Rare these days. I [Me = Old Goat = Get Off of my lawn] have seen it, at its worst.

Often times this type of video is used to vilify workers. Even more, it is used to vilify unions. I have seen this type of scenario, as I have said, and it's sad. But again I say I believe it is rare in 2018. Management is tight these days and most unions are very weak.

These days, even with regulations protecting employees (as well as many other deregulation targets) being curtailed by the current US administration, personnel safety is typically a regulation, and regulation enforcement issue.

Back to the original poster: QS-9000, TS 16949 really are not much different. IATF 16949 may not specifically address employee safety, but how far is IATF 16949 expected to go in proscribing worker safety? Heck, part of the issues involved in the current administration's US - Mexico - Canada "trade deal" involve climate change, intellectual property and timing. There are also some "basic workers rights issues.

If you look close, automotive requirements, for all intents and purposes, haven't changed in the last 20+ years. Yes - Some stuff such as significantly more complex requirements, especially measurement requirements, most of which have to do with accelerated advancements in electronics and integration technology.

Last time I was directly involved with discussion groups was back in the late 1990's when TS 16949 was being planned. And there are a couple of recent discussions about technical bodies. I don't have a copy of IATF 16949, but if the safety of employees isn't addressed, they probably felt that there were too many countries with specific employee safety regulations to be able to address in the IATF 16949 "standard".

As always --> My :2cents:
 
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