Where to buy EN9130?

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Our company is certified according to EN 9120.
During the last surveillance audit there was nonconformity about retention time of documents and records.
Could anyone tell me where to buy DIN EN 9130:2000-09 Aerospace series - Quality systems - Record retention? Or the way to get it?
Thank you!
 
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Our company is certified according to EN 9120.
During the last surveillance audit there was nonconformity about retention time of documents and records.
Could anyone tell me where to buy DIN EN 9130:2000-09 Aerospace series - Quality systems - Record retention? Or the way to get it?
Thank you!
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Screw

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Thank you for help.

Is this document referenced in EN 9120? If not I do not know if this is a NC
It's very interesting question! There is no reference of EN 9130 in current version DIN EN 9120:2010-11. But it was in EN 9120:2005 clause 4.2.4...

I think it is the NC as how else you can define the necessary retention time for records and documents? We have 7 years and I couldn't able to confirm that it was enough.
 
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Yes, but can one be certified regarding a draft standard which hasn't been updated since 2001 ? (edit : especially considering it's guidance material)

What exactly are "pr" standards ? (edit : the correct term appears to be "draft". the french version I have is named prEN9130)
Are they considered applicable ? Or are they sent out so people can test them and write feedbacks, before they (perhaps) make it to an official release, in a (perhaps heavily) updated format ?

I thought 9130 never nad been really applicable in the first place (it contains references to ISO 9001:1994 !)
So 11 years later, it could still be a useful source of inspiration, but not at all a must have. (edit : applicable as in "mandatory" doesn't apply to guidance material, hm ?)

So I'm really confused here. Is this draft from 2001 to be taken into account if one wants to work on records retention ? Or, considering it was a draft and that it's now 11 years old, can we assume common sense, cooperation within the company and with customers, or even a question here at the Cove may bring more appropriate informations ?

To the op, don't your customers have some sort of document they send to every supplier with a complete list of their requirements, including records management if they have specifics on that topic.

I have seen lots of these, mainly from our aerospace customers (electronic cards designer/manufacturer here), and some are quite different from what you'd expect reading the 9130 => sometimes avoiding unnecessary retention burden in our case, as we (they) previously set retentions time according to the customer domain
30 years for aerospace, 15 years for automotive, 5 years for industry/company standard. Anything else had to be asked and negotiated.
Actually our customers sometimes ask for more than 30 years (life of product + 5 years can be quite long), but that's for a few records. Most of them have to be kept from 1 to 10 years, and not the 30 that were initially planned.
 
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