Where to buy the ISO 19011 guidance document

Wes Bucey

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The link to the document available on another site has been restored.
Our current policy on links to other sites which may display copyrighted material is briefly summarized:
The Cove does not set itself up as "thought police" and we do not have the time nor the resources to investigate whether another site has formal permission to display copyrighted material.

If a person with authority to give or deny such permission contacts us to remove the link to the subject site from the Cove, we will do so. If you do not have such real authority, do not presume to make such decision.


We DO have a firm policy on posting an attachment of an entire copyrighted document here in the Cove. Simply, if the document is currently offered for sale by someone other than you, you should have written permission in hand BEFORE posting it as an attachment.

The question of posting excerpts arises frequently. In general, if the excerpt is educational in helping to answer a question by citing an authority, it is fine to post. Similarly if the excerpt is used as part of a review, it is fine to post.

If you have a question about whether to post, contact Marc or any Moderator so the Board of Moderators may review on a case-by-case basis.

In general, if the excerpt is longer than a few paragraphs, you should probably ask for a review.

SPECIAL NOTE:
If you see a post with an attachment or a link you personally feel is in violation of copyright, Please... DO NOT POST a scolding message, merely report the post and let the moderators make the decision. Moderators will probably remove such "scolds" in the future as thread derailing posts.

Final comment:
As always, Cove policies are dynamic, not static, and subject to change. If folks start to add links to web sites which do not contain an appropriate document or add links in any other manner which might be interpreted by moderators as "link spam"
Link spam: Links between pages that are specifically set up to take advantage of link-based ranking algorithms such as Google's PageRank (PR).
those folks may force the Cove to curtail any links.
 
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Patricia Ravanello

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Re: Moderator comment

The link to the document available on another site has been restored.
Our current policy on links to other sites which may display copyrighted material is briefly summarized:
The Cove does not set itself up as "thought police" and we do not have the time nor the resources to investigate whether another site has formal permission to display copyrighted material.

If a person with authority to give or deny such permission contacts us to remove the link to the subject site from the Cove, we will do so. If you do not have such real authority, do not presume to make such decision.


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Thanks Wes and Coury for your input on the subject of copyright. I must admit, I rather naively posted the link, thinking that as long as I wasn't violating the copyright, it wasn't my problem if the site posting the standard was actually in violation.

Upon reconsideration, I thought it only prudent that I remove the links to respect the copyright law, both in letter and in spirit. Also, I think it best not to put in jeopardy, the otherwise respected reputation of the Elsmar Cove, its owners and/or contributors.

Thanks again for your time and contributions. :thanks:

Patricia
 

Marc

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Re: Moderator comment

...thinking that as long as I wasn't violating the copyright, it wasn't my problem if the site posting the standard was actually in violation.
The link was OK to post.

See External Links to Copyrighted Material in the Elsmar Cove Forum TOS and Forum Policies forum.

Clearly a copyright violation...
The document(s) are not posted here so it's not an issue here.
 

Patricia Ravanello

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Re: Moderator comment

The link was OK to post.

See External Links to Copyrighted Material in the Elsmar Cove Forum TOS and Forum Policies forum.




The document(s) are not posted here so it's not an issue here.
Hi Marc,
:thanks: Thanks for contributing to this discussion. It was my perception that Howste and JaneB's postings were castigating the "Greek Site", and not the fact that I had posted the link here, on the Elsmar Cove.

As you stated, there is nothing "illegal" about posting the link. I realized that when I posted it, but in retrospect, and out of respect to the copyright holders, I thought it prudent to remove the link.

Is the Greet site in violation??...Not all countries respect International Copyright law...that could be the case with the Greek posting. Maybe one of our Greek contributors would know better.

:thanks: Thanks for clarifying things from the Cove's perspective.

Patricia
 

Marc

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Re: Moderator comment

Pat,

I have no idea if the site is in compliance or not. Nor am I going to take it upon myself to investigate. My position is that I am ultimately responsible for the content of posts here. After reviewing the aspect of linking to copyrighted documents, where ever they are, is if it is found in a Google (or other search engine) search, it's fair game to link to.

This is not to say linking to copyrighted material is not a disputed aspect for web site owners to consider. There have been court cases over such linking. My position is if someone links to a copyrighted document on another web site and there is a complaint by the copyright holder, I will remove it within 12 hours, or less if I'm near my computer (I'm not at my computer every minute, so....).
 
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Marc

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Re: Moderator comment

Howste,

I quoted you and Jane to ensure the site policy is known. I couldn't tell exactly what you each meant by your posts, but I did assume you were both only opining that the documents were, in fact, copyrighted documents.

There was a pretty involved moderator discussion of the thread in part because, well, the topic of links to copyrighted material on other sites comes up now and again. I think there have been some mis-interpretation issues in this case. There was a concern that Pat would feel there was an issue and the posts could be interpreted as reprimands. Which led to the cascade of posts related to the site policy... And to a moderator deleting the posts. That you were both only opining that the documents were, in fact, copyrighted documents, was not clear but is now understood.

The issue of links here to copyrighted documents on other sites does pop up now and again because not everyone has read every 'Policy' here - Elsmar Cove Forum TOS and Forum Policies forum. Not that I blame them. ;)
 
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