Where to Purchase an MS Word version of ISO 9001

[Wes Bucey]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

My point was that the concept of conformed copies in the legal sense has nothing to do with the subject at hand. I was simply warning the OP to verify that an editable copy of the standard hasn't been edited such that requirements or meaning has been changed.

OK - let's drop the topic of what kind of copy and determine WHY OP thinks he needs/wants a Word Format versus one in Portable Document File Format.

I presume OP thinks it will be "cool" to extract portions to insert in his organization's Quality Management System (QMS) Documents as "evidence" of what ISO says it "shall" do. (i.e. "extract" rather than "transcribe" from a hard copy or locked pdf copy.)

This leads down the well-worn path of folks regurgitating the Standard as the Quality Manual for the organization - a theme we [in consensus as a group] generally oppose and have beaten to death over the years here in the Cove.

We need to press the OP a little more for the root cause of his quest.

 

[Stijloor]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

<snip> We need to press the OP a little more for the root cause of his quest.

That, I believe is irrelevant to the OP's request. Actually what he will do with it (or not do) should not be of our concern. I believe that the copyright issue has been adequately responded to.

Stijloor.

 

[Wes Bucey]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

That, I believe is irrelevant to the OP's request. Actually what he will do with it (or not do) should not be of our concern. I believe that the copyright issue has been adequately responded to.

Stijloor.

Aah! There I think you are wrong! As Quality professionals, our job is to educate others to seek the solutions to the real problem they face, not stop part-way.

As you, yourself, have doubtless helped countless others learn, the quest for a root cause does not stop with the answer to the first WHY? In fact, many quality folk have codified the search for a true solution to something they call the "5 whys" and here in the Cove, you have directed others to many of the attachments on the subject stored here in the Cove (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=266457&postcount=2) - if you didn't believe or practice the 5 whys yourself, would you have referred someone to the list? Probably not, for the same reason you didn't refer the OP here to a Word copy of the ISO Standard, even though a really diligent use of search engines would have turned one up - it would not have been the correct thing for a Quality professional to do.

 

[Stijloor]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

Aah! There I think you are wrong! As Quality professionals, our job is to educate others to seek the solutions to the real problem they face, not stop part-way.

As you, yourself, have doubtless helped countless others learn, the quest for a root cause does not stop with the answer to the first WHY? In fact, many quality folk have codified the search for a true solution to something they call the "5 whys" and here in the Cove, you have directed others to many of the attachments on the subject stored here in the Cove (http://elsmar.com/Forums/showpost.php?p=266457&postcount=2) - if you didn't believe or practice the 5 whys yourself, would you have referred someone to the list? Probably not, for the same reason you didn't refer the OP here to a Word copy of the ISO Standard, even though a really diligent use of search engines would have turned one up - it would not have been the correct thing for a Quality professional to do.

Wes,

Excellent points!

Stijloor.

 

[JaneB]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

Aah! There I think you are wrong! As Quality professionals, our job is to educate others to seek the solutions to the real problem they face, not stop part-way.

Wes, you raised an interesting point. And re. this statement, I agree with you in some cases. But not all and not this particular one.

I think it's second-guessing to make the assumption you made here about exactly why the OP was looking for a copy. (I can think of various other reasons why someone might do it, none of which included yours.)

I don't think in every single case 'we' should assume that 'we' know better than the person asking a question and that it is 'our job to educate others', particularly where they have simply asked a factual question (where can I get x?) and have not requested or sought enlightenment, guidance or further input.

To assume that we should set out to educate in every single case I think could be a patronising and somewhat arrogant point of view.

 

[Wes Bucey]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

Wes, you raised an interesting point. And re. this statement, I agree with you in some cases. But not all and not this particular one.

I think it's second-guessing to make the assumption you made here about exactly why the OP was looking for a copy. (I can think of various other reasons why someone might do it, none of which included yours.)

I don't think in every single case 'we' should assume that 'we' know better than the person asking a question and that it is 'our job to educate others', particularly where they have simply asked a factual question (where can I get x?) and have not requested or sought enlightenment, guidance or further input.

To assume that we should set out to educate in every single case I think could be a patronising and somewhat arrogant point of view.

I'm certainly arrogant. After nearly six years of fielding questions and over 6,000 responses, I do tend to see a pattern to questions and my batting average on "inferring" what a poster is really going through and really needs is pretty high. I readily admit it is not 1000, but all we need is the original poster to return and elucidate and clarify his situation rather than leaping at each other's throats to become top gun.

For years, I've had the reputation of telling folks how to build a watch when all they want is to know the time, but I've always been particularly conscious of the fact my posts hang around for years and I figure I have a responsibility to make them usable for other readers, not just the original poster.

Deming was an early proponent of the System of Profound Knowledge - I'm merely carrying on the tradition.

 

[JaneB]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

I'm certainly arrogant.

but all we need is the original poster to return and elucidate and clarify his situation rather than leaping at each other's throats to become top gun.

Hold up there, Wes. I did not intend any leaping at your throat (metaphorical or otherwise), and certainly hope you aren't leaping at mine.

As for a mantle going around with 'top gun' written on it, if there is such a one, then be my guest, because I'm not competing for that or any other.

But I reserve the right to speak on something when I choose, as I did here. Did I say something too bluntly, and perhaps offend you? If so, I apologise. It was a/the point of view that I was addressing, not you personally.

 

[Wes Bucey]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

Hold up there, Wes. I did not intend any leaping at your throat (metaphorical or otherwise), and certainly hope you aren't leaping at mine.

As for a mantle going around with 'top gun' written on it, if there is such a one, then be my guest, because I'm not competing for that or any other.

But I reserve the right to speak on something when I choose, as I did here. Did I say something too bluntly, and perhaps offend you? If so, I apologise. It was a/the point of view that I was addressing, not you personally.

If I ever am offended, all I will do (and what everyone else should do if offended by content of a post) is click the report post button and let the moderators sort it out. I haven't EVER clicked "report post" in 6 years for personal offense - that goes back to being arrogant, I guess.

 

[Jim Wynne]

Re: Word version of ISO 9001

I'm certainly arrogant.

ar·ro·gant (

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nt)adj.1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others: an arrogant contempt for the weak.



Now may we return to the topic at hand?