Which of these two actions is more unprofessional? Verbal Abuse vs. Evesdropping

ScottK

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#1
1. A middle manager calling a senior manager an "evil bastard" in front of an hourly person that is not in said senior manager's department.
2. 'Victim' senior manager evesdropping on the person who made the comment.

Second question:
I can handle situation 1 as this guy reports to me.
But how do you go about fighting a chronic evesdropper that does not report to you AND can do very little wrong in the eyes of the owner?

:frust:

(Personally I think evesdropping is far far far more unprofessional.)
 
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crendfrey

#2
Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

Usually given enough rope, people will hang themselves…….
 

gpainter

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#3
Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

IMO #1 will cause the most problems with motivation and morale. #2 it depends on what s/he does with what they overheard. Leadership by example.
 
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Dimitri

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

If the senior manager constantly eves drops on everyone and then the middle manager snapped at him the senior manager in my opinion deserved it its a invasion of privacy. :)

Dimitri
 
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Duke Okes

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

Slip #2 a verbal "mickey" ... the rope so to speak.
 
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Craig H.

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

Doesn't what the senior manager does with the "evil bastard" comment prove or disprove the assertion?

I think maybe this would be better answered in context....
 

BradM

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#7
Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

I totally understand your frustration. One really needs to watch what they say.

Since I can only infer from your thread my opinion, I would have to say #1 is by far the most unprofessional. You are on the same team, and that type of discussion is inflammatory and destructive. No one likes being called names, and for those in the Office Politics (busybodies), that is just fuel for a fire.

If the person is going to eavesdrop, give them something good to spread around. I bet that will stop that behavior rather quickly.
 

ScottK

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

here's the context...

Employee was upset that the machines were smoking and the scrubbers weren't keeping up. He wanted to open the doors to let in some fresh air but 'senior manager' wouldn't let him. So he came to 'middle manager', who is the safety guy. Employee was threatening to call OSHA and/or just quit.
'Middle Manager' brought employee to his office to hear him out and defuse the situation. During the course of the discussion employee asked "why won't 'senior manager' let us crack the doors? It's not cold out." To which 'middle manager answered "I don't know, he's an evil bastard."

Unbeknownst to either of them 'senior manager' was standing outside the office door listeneing. There is no other reason for him to stand where he was. The ladies room door is across the hall.

Senior manager ran to owner.

Also understand - 'Senior manager' hates 'middle manager'. This is a fact. I've heard him say it myself.

further thoughts?
 
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Dimitri

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

This just maybe the worse advice you'll get on this thread as I've never been in a management position BUT if I was the owner of a company and this thing happend the Sr. Manager would get the boot.

If a hourly employee wants freash air because of the smoke etc and its not cold outside (which maybe considered a hazard because you can get sick) and the scrubbers arn't working right to remove the smoke the employee in my opinion if he asked the Sr. Manager to open the door then the Sr. Manager only had one thing to say "yes". It should have never got to the point of the Employee having the need to threaten to call OSHA and get the middle manager invovled. :)

Still I feel that the Middle Manager is in the right for calling the Sr. Manager that. I mean what kind of person denies someone freash air if they are working in a smoke filled enviroment ?? :mg:

Also if the Sr. Manager is going around telling people he "hates" (which is a really strong word to use) another manager I don't know about any of you but I think he'd need a talking to to find out why he "hates" the middle manager.

Just my :2cents:

Dimitri
 
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Benjamin28

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Re: Which of these two actions is more unprofessional?

Both instances are of course unprofessional and childish. First, the senior manager sounds like a micro-manager. The issue should have been brought to the safety officer/middle manager first, if that manager felt the decision needed to be with the senior manager then he/she could have taken it to them.

Further, if there is a personal issue between the two managers this needs to be difused. You can't have your management acting like feuding children, it's ridiculous and will vastly undermine their positional authority with employees. If they continue on this route they will become a source of entertainment for their employees and in effect an ongoing joke.

Is one instance more unprofessional than the other, no, they are both equally unacceptable and the kind of behavior I would expect to see in elementary school children. I'd have to surmise that the owner is thinking along these lines as well.
 
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