Which of these two actions is more unprofessional? Verbal Abuse vs. Evesdropping

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Craig H.

#41
OK, let's look at the "Imus thing" and how it relates.

First, although his use of the "nappy yada yada" is abhorrent, where was the real damage (hurt and pain by some great ball players) caused? The frequent replaying and relaying of the comment by the news media and others who sought to gain from the "buzz".

Similarly, the senior manager's actions of making noise concerning the issue will hurt, not help, their reputation. Now, people who never would have heard about the comment will know about it, along with whatever spin the gossip mongers (news mongers?) wish to impart.

So, both the manager who uttered the "sick" remark, and the one about whom the remark was made were wrong, it appears. The real damage will likely not be caused by these actions on their own. No, the resultant "buzz", and the resultant discord, will cause the real damage.

Professionalism sometimes means knowing when to shut the heck up.
 
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ScottK

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#42
Personally you have to search for root cause.

Someone badmouthing someone else is probably derived from previous events...therefore it's a reaction.

Eavesdropping is a sign of:
  • insecurity
  • questionable ethics i.e. entrapment
  • malicious intent
Ipso facto...my vote is eavesdropping to be worse.
It's impossible for me to communicate all the stuff really involved here so I've only been able to give a snapshot and make it black and white as possible...
The comment did come from past events. The evil bastich has had it in for my guy since well before I started here. Thus I very strongly feel that the evesdropping was not innocent and therefore far worse.
 

ScottK

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#43
OK, let's look at the "Imus thing" and how it relates.

First, although his use of the "nappy yada yada" is abhorrent, where was the real damage (hurt and pain by some great ball players) caused? The frequent replaying and relaying of the comment by the news media and others who sought to gain from the "buzz".

Similarly, the senior manager's actions of making noise concerning the issue will hurt, not help, their reputation. Now, people who never would have heard about the comment will know about it, along with whatever spin the gossip mongers (news mongers?) wish to impart.

So, both the manager who uttered the "sick" remark, and the one about whom the remark was made were wrong, it appears. The real damage will likely not be caused by these actions on their own. No, the resultant "buzz", and the resultant discord, will cause the real damage.

Professionalism sometimes means knowing when to shut the heck up.

"discord"
Great word! :agree1:
 
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Dimitri

#44
He makes apparently arbitrary decisions like that.
If I was a psycholgist I'd say it's a power thing.
See perhaps its time to tighten his leash by the boss, if the boss doesn't do that then who knows where this will go.

By the way I got to agree with this comment by Jim Wayne:

Jim Wayne said:
It's only unprofessional if the senior manager isn't an evil bastard. If he is one, chance are that the hourly person is well aware, and the only effect the comment is likely to have is to make the hourly worker feel like he's not alone.
:)

Dimitri
 
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wmarhel

#45
OK, let's look at the "Imus thing" and how it relates.

First, although his use of the "nappy yada yada" is abhorrent, where was the real damage (hurt and pain by some great ball players) caused?
Don't you realize that we now live in a "kindler, gentler" world? The old saying, "Sticks and stones may break my bones......." no longer applies.

Please get with the program and learn to conform......:whip:

Wayne
 
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Dimitri

#46
Don't you realize that we now live in a "kindler, gentler" world? The old saying, "Sticks and stones may break my bones......." no longer applies.

Please get with the program and learn to conform......:whip:

Wayne
Wayne,

Well I cant speak for everyone but I'm 19, and I still havn't gotten with the program. Apparently men being able to take things like a man doesnt apply anymore. Who knew. :bonk:

Dimitri
 

Jim Wynne

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#47
OK, let's look at the "Imus thing" and how it relates.

First, although his use of the "nappy yada yada" is abhorrent, where was the real damage (hurt and pain by some great ball players) caused? The frequent replaying and relaying of the comment by the news media and others who sought to gain from the "buzz".

Similarly, the senior manager's actions of making noise concerning the issue will hurt, not help, their reputation. Now, people who never would have heard about the comment will know about it, along with whatever spin the gossip mongers (news mongers?) wish to impart.

So, both the manager who uttered the "sick" remark, and the one about whom the remark was made were wrong, it appears. The real damage will likely not be caused by these actions on their own. No, the resultant "buzz", and the resultant discord, will cause the real damage.

Professionalism sometimes means knowing when to shut the heck up.
Craig, your argument assumes its own conclusion. There's nothing in evidence to indicate that in the case at hand the utterance was broadcast throughout the company, let alone to millions of people in its initial form. While you might have a good hypothetical case, and while it might not be a good idea to say disparaging things about others in a general sense, the analogy is lame and inappropriate.
 
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Craig H.

#48
Craig, your argument assumes its own conclusion. There's nothing in evidence to indicate that in the case at hand the utterance was broadcast throughout the company, let alone to millions of people in its initial form. While you might have a good hypothetical case, and while it might not be a good idea to say disparaging things about others in a general sense, the analogy is lame and inappropriate.
Jim, you have missed my point - the biggest harm comes as a result of how the situation is handled. Further, an utterance does not have to leave a company to cause irreparable harm to that company. If the situation has not been spread within the company, maybe you might have a point. The places I have worked would have seen this spread quite quickly.

Lame and inappropriate? No, strong and on topic.

Asking which is more unprofessional, at this point, is hypothetical. The damage done by the grapevine can be quite real and painful. Maybe you have been spared seeing this kind of situation first hand?
 

ScottK

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#49
Craig, your argument assumes its own conclusion. There's nothing in evidence to indicate that in the case at hand the utterance was broadcast throughout the company, let alone to millions of people in its initial form. While you might have a good hypothetical case, and while it might not be a good idea to say disparaging things about others in a general sense, the analogy is lame and inappropriate.

To my knowledge only 3 people heard the comment. My guy uttered it, the guy he was talking to heard it, the eavesdropper heard it, and another guy in the office heard it because he was observing the conversation.

To me the difference between calling someone an 'evil bastard' and a 'nappy headed ho' is that 'evil bastard' is behavior based while 'nappy headed ho' is genetics based.
behavior is a choice, genetics is not.
 
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Keith Childers

#50
To my knowledge only 3 people heard the comment. My guy uttered it, the guy he was talking to heard it, the eavesdropper heard it, and another guy in the office heard it because he was observing the conversation.
Has anyone else ever been in production management?
I would all but guarantee that before the end of the shift at least half of the hourly workforce knew about "Middle Manager" calling "Senior Manager" an "Evil Bastard".
There may have only been 3 people who heard this comment first hand, but there is a significant probability that they were not the only 3 people who knew about it. BTW I count 4 people, unless the person who uttered the slur is deaf, he heard it too.
 
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