Which Safety Registration Program to Choose? OHSAS 18001? Z10?

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RoxaneB

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#22
This is done for insurance purposes?
Corporate mandate. :notme: ;)

The concern I have with ISRS is whether an organization develops a system that works for them or whether they develop a system with the intent to score more points.

Ideally, the two approaches would go hand-in-hand, but this is not always the case, and I find that sometimes we spend more time justifying our system rather than examining whether or not it meets the intent of a loss control system.

In ISO and OHSAS, you either meet a "shall" or you do not. It's quite simple. OFI's are generated when shall's are met, but there are areas for improvement.

In ISRS, there are some shall statements which are indicated with an XO score (XO = yes/no).

But there are also PJ questions...Professional Judgement. This can become extremely tiring having to justify why you believe, for example, you use effective techniques in an area.

ISRS 6th Edition - 10.4.4 said:
To what extent are effective communicatno techniques used in employee training programs [PJ-25]
This means the auditor can score us a maximum of 25 points based on his/her professional judgement of our effectiveness.

And as we all know that auditors aren't always consistent in their interpretations, I find that we sometimes lose the value-added activity within the audit.

That being said, ISRS does go into developing the foundations of a loss control system - more so than OHSAS 18001, in my opinon. There are 20 Elements covering areas such as :
  • Leadership and Administration
  • Leadership Training
  • Critical Task Analysis and Procedures
  • Emergency Preparedness
  • Knowledge and Skill Training
  • Engineering and Change Management
  • Materials and Services Management
  • Off-the-Job Safety

Each of those areas then breaks down into sub-elements, so using "Leadership and Administration" as the example includes such sub-elements like:
  • General policy
  • Senior and middle management participation
  • Established loss control performance standards
  • Management meetings
  • Individual responsibility for loss control
  • Refusal to work due to loss control hazards
  • Document control
  • External communications

ISRS 6th Edition is approximately 1" thick with 1/2 of it dedicated towards the requirements and on the pages opposite the requirements, some explanations and guidelines.
 
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BSMITH

#26
ISRS information can be found on the DNV site : www.dnv.com

See a summary explanation (from the site) in attachment.
Apparently they have reached version 7.

Best regards,
Antoine
I took DNV's ISRS7 course, which was rather interesting; ISRS7 integrates ISO 9001, ISO 14001, OHSAS 18001, and much more. A more detailed description of ISRS7 is available on DNV's brochure.

Brent Smith
 

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tigerfan51

#28
I think it is still early - too early to write off the Z10 / Z1000 standards. Several of my clients are in the process of developing an OHSAS, but they have given themselves a year or so to develop the system - so we won't see registrations / interest immediately after the standards are published - it's going to take a bit of time.

Interesting quote / analysis from the attached document:

"It is unlikely that OSHA will resume regulatory activity concerning its withdrawn Safety and Health Management Standard under the current administration. However, if it should proceed in the future, it would be statutorily required to consider adoption of ANSI Z10 to address this issue based upon the requisites of the National Technology Transfer and advancement Act (NTTAA), 15 USC §272, and the Office of Management and Budget's (OMB) Circular A-119, Federal Participation in the Development and Use of Voluntary Consensus Standards and in Conformity Assessment Activities.
The OMB Circular (consistent with Section 12(d) of the NTTAA) directs agencies to use voluntary consensus standards in lieu of developing government-unique standards, except when such use would be inconsistent with the law or otherwise impractical. However, under the current OSH Act, only national consensus standards that have been adopted as or incorporated by reference into an OSHA standard pursuant to Section 6 of the OSH Act provide a means of compliance with Section 5(a)(2) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act, 29 U.S.C. § 651 et seq. (“the OSH Act”).2 Therefore, at some future time, OSHA could adopt Z10 as a mandatory safety and health standard through notice-and-comment rulemaking."


Another subtle but important difference between the two approaches:

Z10 states that top management shall provide leadership and assume overall responsibility for implementing, maintaining, and monitoring performance of the OHSMS

OHSAS states that a member of top management shall be appointed and responsible for ensuring the OHSAS is properly implemented and performing to requirements.

Apparently the 18001 wording places potentially greater liability on the chosen member of top management, in the event of a serious safety accident. So U.S. companies should probably get a legal opinion on which standard / specification is most appropriate given the legal climate.
 

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Randy

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#29
tiger it's because the Z1000 is real close to a bunch of provencial legislative requirements, like Alberta for example.
 
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