Who can give another company ISO Cert?

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petersool

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I want to know who can give to another companies , different ISO Cert.?
Should some one get any certifications to being able to give ISO cert or just with documenting and suggesting Quality measured improvement, a person or a company can give measurement.

Thank you in advance.:)
 
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dsanabria

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I want to know who can give to another companies , different ISO Cert.?
Should some one get any certifications to being able to give ISO cert or just with documenting and suggesting Quality measured improvement, a person or a company can give measurement.

Thank you in advance.:)
There is a black market of fraudulent entities that will provide a certificate making statement of compliance to ISO requirements. The only ones that could do so is going through an accredited register. Look for the proper and applicable logos - there should be one from the register and another one from the bodies that approved the register. careful from forgery or smooth talking individuals.

To your answer - no company can certify another company.
 

Randy

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There is a black market of fraudulent entities that will provide a certificate making statement of compliance to ISO requirements. The only ones that could do so is going through an accredited register. Look for the proper and applicable logos - there should be one from the register and another one from the bodies that approved the register. careful from forgery or smooth talking individuals.

To your answer - no company can certify another company.
You're going to have to justify that claim...
 

pkost

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I think you are mis interpreting these articles. They appear to relate to the fraudulant use trademarks to infer a believe that recognised establishments have certified a company

In reality there is nothing to stop me from setting up pkost consultancy and issuing my customers a piece of paper saying that they comply with ISO 9001 requirements. But the question is - what is that piece of paper worth?.

The issue arises when the certificate I issue is passed on to their customers or a regulatory authority. They will question who I am and whether they trust the piece of paper I have issued.

As a consequence you have a chains of trust are established
manufacturer/service provided <--- certification body e.g. BSI <--- accreditation society (e.g. UKAS in the UK which is recognised by the UK government)

People should "trust" a certificate issued by BSI to a company because BSI are accredited UKAS which is recognised and established in UK law.


In answer to one of OP's other posts. There is nothing to stop you setting up your own quality system requirements for your own specific industry and issue certificates to people that comply, but the question will be who are you and why should your certificate (and QMS) be trusted. Unless you work for Ford, Boeing, J&J you may struggle to acheive what you intend.
 
#7
I want to know who can give to another companies , different ISO Cert.?
Should some one get any certifications to being able to give ISO cert or just with documenting and suggesting Quality measured improvement, a person or a company can give measurement.

Thank you in advance.:)
Anyone can give a certificate saying that an organization complies with a management standard, like ISO 9001. It's been discussed here many times. The organization can even issue its own certificate, if it chooses to.

What has to be considered is how credible such a certificate is. I've seen 2 such organizations who paid for someone to do an "internal audit" and they paid him, he "gave" them a certificate which stated they complied and, hence, were "certified". I saw one of his audit reports which could have been written better by a high school student. The organization's customers never questioned it....
 

Randy

Super Moderator
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I agree with Andy and pkost 100% and in fact if I wished to do so I could start tomorrow by setting up my own criteria, fall back on my experience as a multi-scheme auditor, and start issuing certificates to those that met my requirements for certification...As could many others who participate here.

I choose however not to do so mainly because it would be a conflict of interest with the "accredited" registrars I have a contracted relationship with and I stand to make much more doing contracted work than selling nickel & dime certificates to companies to lazy and cheap to go about it the right way...I care not to sully my professional name
 
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