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Who has had a Transition Audit from TS 16949 to IATF 16949

Scanton

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#21
I did also contain a reference to a section of our old quality manual that no longer exists in our new manual, so he decided to record that one (of the two out of date/obsolete references) and suggested we thoroughly review and update that procedure.

I would have been more descriptive in my first reply if I had known what the response would be. Apologies for that.
 
#22
It's still nit picking and totally unnecessary. I have a ton of cross references in my stuff and the likelihood of getting them all in the first go around is nil. Just fix them when you find them.
 

Scanton

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#24
I can't believe you have me sticking up for an auditor, but just to play devils advocate.

Is not the incorrect reference to an outdated standard and a reference to an outdated quality manual enough evidence to suggest that this operating procedure has not been adequately audited to verify compliance with this (IATF) automotive QMS standard?
 
#25
I can't believe you have me sticking up for an auditor, but just to play devils advocate.

Is not the incorrect reference to an outdated standard and a reference to an outdated quality manual enough evidence to suggest that this operating procedure has not been adequately audited to verify compliance with this (IATF) automotive QMS standard?
I guess it depends on your perspective of why you have a QMS. Do you have spelling, grammar and formatting errors in your documentation? Why didn't they write those up too? As it mentions in the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"...

The Total Perspective Vortex is a device built as a practical application of the theory of atomic interactivity. The idea is that, if every atom of the universe is affected by every other atom of the universe, then it is theoretically possible to extrapolate a model of the entire universe using any single piece of matter as a starting point. The Vortex does this employing a piece of fairy cake as its extrapolatory base.
Originally created by its inventor Trin Tragula as a way to get back at his wife (who was always telling him to get a "sense of proportion"), the Vortex is now used as a torture and (in effect) killing device on the planet Frogstar B. The prospective victim of the TPV is placed within a small chamber wherein is displayed a model of the entire universe - together with a microscopic dot bearing the legend "you are here". The sense of perspective thereby conveyed destroys the victim's mind; it was stated that the TPV is the only known means of crushing a man's soul.

The only person to survive the Vortex is former President of the Galaxy Zaphod Beeblebrox. At the time he was exposed to the Vortex, he was inside a computer-generated universe created for his protection by Zarniwoop. Since the entire universe was created for him, the TPV told him, in effect, that he was in fact the single most important person in the universe. This allowed Zaphod to survive the experience, and also did not surprise him in the least.

Zaphod proceeded to eat the fairy cake.


I prefer to understand that the QMS is about the resulting product and its ability to satisfy customers. An obscure, obsolete reference in a manual which isn't read by anyone who cares, is a useless finding (ask your management what they think...) and the auditor needs to be put in the TPV...
 

Scanton

Wearer of many hats
#26
Because grammar and spelling errors do not indicate that the operating procedure has not been audited, however references to standards and manuals of the past do.

Wow, the last time I saw Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy used as a reference was in the 90's.
 
#27
Because grammar and spelling errors do not indicate that the operating procedure has not been audited, however references to standards and manuals of the past do.

Wow, the last time I saw Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy used as a reference was in the 90's.
I'd suggest, in that case, that the document (change) review process needs tightening up. Expecting auditors to "catch" such references is to abdicate the actual document control process for ensuring a document is suitable.

Classic literature is always timeless...
 
#30
Hi,

Wow 22 Man days, well done, I was interested to read that you had 2 x 1 day reviews (Performance score cards, etc & Document Review) was this provided by your CB, we have asked our CB for a "pre audit" but have been told IATF does not allow as we are an existing client - Thanks in advance for any feedback
 
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