Who's off track, me or my internal auditors?

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vanputten

#11
Hello Benjamin28:

Here is the second sentence of my first posting:

"Since we are experts at the Process Approach, and we all understand and agree that most problems are due to process issues, then I think a review of the auditing process and the process to provide awareness, competency and training is in order."

I also am making the recommendation that awareness, competency and training be reviewed. You and I are suggesting ALMOST the same thing. However, I am distinguishing "people" from "training, competency and awareness." Training, competency and awarenss is the result of what is provided to the people. Again, look at the process to provide skills to the people, not the people themselves.

If you are talking about talent, which is not teachable, then that is a different issue. A doctor can be taught all of the medicine in the world, but bedside manners are part of talent. They cannot be taught. Same thing with artisit. We can teach all of the painting skills in the world but there is still an element of talent.

Regards,

Dirk
 
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Benjamin28

#12
We are indeed thinking along the same lines Dirk. I don't think I was quite clear in my post, perhaps I could have chosen a better word than training...mentoring & guidance perhaps? Which absolutely could fall within the scope of your "awareness, compentency, and training" process.

The idea I was attempting to express is that a less experienced auditor will typically not be as good as an experienced one even when both recieve equal training...and therefore -(mentoring & guidance) should be utilized.
 

Randy

Super Moderator
#13
This reminds me of a story....I may butcher it a bit

This old dude had a dog that he normally kept in the house. One day he came home from work (the old dude, not the dog) and found the dog had wet on the floor. He summarily stuck his nose in the puddle (the dog's nose not the dude's), kicked the dog in the behind and tossed him out the door. This went on for days and days, wet, get kicked and tossed out the door. One afternoon while enjoying TV (the dude, not the dog) the dog wet the floor. The dude jumped up, but before he could move the dog stuck his nose in the puddle, backed into the dudes foot and jumped through the door screen.

The object was to get the dog to stop wetting on the floor, but the dog did only what he was taught to do.

Are you standing in a puddle of pee?
 
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