Witness audit panic - When our registrar is audited during their audit of us

Wes Bucey

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#11
Scatalogical language aside, Tarheels4, those are pretty vague accusations against witness auditors. That's kind of like saying to someone, "I hear you still beat your mate!"

Rumors like that belong on the Urban Legends site, not on a site dedicated to advancing the cause of Quality.

Auditors are not supposed to consider "anecdotal evidence," especially when no identities accompany the accusations. Perhaps the only thing worse than a false accusation is an anonymous false accusation.
 
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#12
Wes Bucey said:
Scatalogical language aside, Tarheels4, those are pretty vague accusations against witness auditors. That's kind of like saying to someone, "I hear you still beat your mate!"

Rumors like that belong on the Urban Legends site, not on a site dedicated to advancing the cause of Quality.

Auditors are not supposed to consider "anecdotal evidence," especially when no identities accompany the accusations. Perhaps the only thing worse than a false accusation is an anonymous false accusation.
Wes we both have a right to our own opinion. Since your opinion is all that matters, why don't you ship mine off to some urban ledgends thread.
 

Randy

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#16
Why all the excess testosterone?

The witness auditors I've had tag along with me during an audit or watch me deliver an accredited course have never presented a problem. I don't change one bit, what they see is what they get. If they don't like it they can write it up, pack sand, hold their breath until their face turns blue and their butt falls off.

It never comes to that. I've never had anything other that good professionals acting in a professional manner. I welcome the feedback because I need to stay on my toes. I'm being audited (actually my delivery of a Lead Auditor course) by the RABQSA in a couple of weeks on the worst possible day, which is always day 1...horrribly boring and dry. Will I act different? Waddya think? ;)
 

Marc

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#17
I have been at witness audits and my excperience has been good with the exception being that the registrar being witnessed was definitely 'harder' than in previous and subsequent audits. Then again, audits I have done where I was being 'witnessed' I think I've been a bit more 'picky' than I normally am. I think it goes with the situation to some degree.
 

Hershal

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#19
tarheels4 said:
My experience has been that when an auditor is witnessed by the CB he/she works for, they act the same way as during a regular audit. When the auditor is witnessed by the accreditation body (nameless) the auditor acts like a real dick because that is how they are treated by the Accreditation body auditors.

I have heard that the accreditation auditors' unwritten goal is the to screw over the auditor as much as possible.
Tarheels4,

I understand you may not quite appreciate Wes' perspective.....but since I happen to work for an accrediting body, you'll forgive me if I take exception to your comments.

I admit that at times you may be correct, but most accreditation assessors don't intentionally become unreasonable.....at least not intentionally. At the AB that I work for, such assessors will stand out, especially on their way out.

Regards,

Hershal
 
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