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Would you leave the Quality Assurance profession given the option?

Would You Leave the Quality Assurance Profession Given the Option?

  • I would leave skid marks clearing my office!

    Votes: 22 27.2%
  • Only for more money

    Votes: 18 22.2%
  • If I could make the same money in another field

    Votes: 25 30.9%
  • I am deliriously happy in quality assurance!

    Votes: 16 19.8%

  • Total voters
    81

Steve Prevette

Deming Disciple
Staff member
Super Moderator
#71
As a thought -

If it weren't for all the incompentent people out there, most of us wouldn't have a job.

and probably more politically correctly -

"How would they know to do anything different?" - Dr. Deming
 
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AllanJ

#72
RosieA said:
Steel, what are you thinking about doing? I'm at the same point you are. I am ready to get the **** out of manufacturing for good. I'm so tired of fighting with management about a 32 cent cost reduced part that nets us $6400. in extra profit but causes a $600,000. return.

I just don't know what else to do, or how to get an interview when my resume doesn't look anything like the job I'm applying for.

Any thoughts?
I am enjoying this most entertaining thread. But, what we really need is an incentive to stay that derives itself from a serious national leadership for "quality".I recall, as some of you might, an article appearing in (I think) the Washington Post about the poor state of product quality at a Chinese factory that made regrigerators. At the time fridges were of the most sought after consumer products and customer complaints had reached a crescendo. Solution: according to the article, top and key managers were asesmbled before the entire workforce and shot!

Now, perhaps there is hope for not long after that article appeared the rise of work outsourced to China and the relocation of European and American factories to mainland China began. So, if the CEOs of those companies then knew of that article, surely they MUST be serious about quality! Given such political support, maybe then you would want to stay in Quality. (Should the Baldrige Award have a similar counterpart whereby the national makers of shoddy goods are assembled on the White House lawn and shot?)

(I have a copy of that old article somewhere - when I find it, I will give more details so that you can make it a central part of the CI and motivation programs in your firms) :lol:
 
#73
Steve Prevette said:
If it weren't for all the incompentent people out there, most of us wouldn't have a job.
Or perhaps a different kind of job? Maybe we could finally work with what we should have been doing all along, but never seem to have the time for: Improvement... setting the bar at hights previously not seen?

Then again... Alas, you're probably right, and maybe for the better. Removing all the incompentence out there would probably mean that those few still around wouldn't be human anymore...:mg:

/Claes
 
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RosieA

#74
Quote mended

AllanJ said:
Solution: according to the article, top and key managers were asesmbled before the entire workforce and shot!
I'm ready to shoot myself. Who needs the CEO to do that?
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
#75
RosieA said:
I'm ready to shoot myself. Who needs the CEO to do that?
My take:
All unhappy jobs are attributable to management (either by failing to supply proper resources or by making bad decisions about priorities.)

Regardless of the degree of hardship in any position, we can usually find a ray of light for ourselves. We need to approach the hardships like any other quality problem.

Sometimes, the problem is a narrow one caused by one or two individuals in positions of power. Investigation usually shows the primary problem is the individual in power is ignorant of the ramifications of his actions (or lack of actions.) If the root cause is really ignorance, it may be alleviated with "judicious" education - judicious, because no one wants to be the messenger executed for bringing bad news to the king.

In rarer cases, the roadblocks are created by individuals who know the long-term ramifications of their actions, but choose them because their personal agendas are to show short term results and leave. The best solution is to contact lots of headhunters and use creativity to get the roadblock hired away.

The last resort is to blow the whistle on an incompetent or otherwise nonperforming manager. Real caution is necessary here - revenge or vengeance does NOT improve the job conditions for the whistleblower. In over 40 years, I have NEVER seen a situation where a "whistleblower" who points out the incompetence of a superior-ranked employee gains benefits by staying with the company. (some do ok with percentage of lawsuits or fines, but most whistleblowers have a prolonged "bad" period. [advice: if you blow the whistle, do it anonymously!])

In many cases (not the majority), the problem is a systemic one:
  • the business is becoming obsolete with inadequate resources to change products or services
  • outside competition is eroding markets
  • the company is "in play" and energy and resources are spent dealing with takeovers or mergers
Most job coaches would counsel looking for new employment if caught in a systemic situation.
 
Q

qualitytrec

#76
I hate quality!!! As a job anyway. It seems that most of it is common sense or at least should be and yet they pick or hire some poor sap to do a job so they have a scapegoat for management shortcutting systems of thought that are basic. I have been at my current position for almost two years putting together their quality system on my own. I have had no help from anyone at the company (they did bring in a consultant who spent sometime giving me some input but he was way overcomplicating things so I did not ask him back after a few visits). Can I have a tissue?
There should in reality (my opinion) be no need for a quality department except for the potential exception of statistical evaluation because some do not have the brain power.
I can not wait until I get out of this thankless profession. It will be soon. I am raising support to do long term missions.
I am done venting. Careful the skid marks are still hot.

Mark
 
#77
Markasmith said:
There should in reality (my opinion) be no need for a quality department except for the potential exception of statistical evaluation because some do not have the brain power.
I agree. In the best of worlds the Q dep. should be unnecessary. In the world we live in, alas... ...different story, I'm afraid.

/Claes
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
#78
Markasmith said:
There should in reality (my opinion) be no need for a quality department except for the potential exception of statistical evaluation because some do not have the brain power.
Mark
In point of fact, I have seen several operations (including one of my own) where the Quality "department" was primarily a knowledge base and overseer of the measuring instruments and Standards. The folks in the Quality Department trained and evaluated capability of operators who performed and recorded their own in-process inspections. First Article Inspections were essentially "redundant" events. The operator who made First Article would do all the measurements of characteristics according to a Control Plan previously designed and agreed to with operator, Quality department, design engineer, and customer. When done, he would find another operator to do a redundant inspection with his own (the other operator's) instruments. If there was a discrepancy between readings not accountable with "normal variation," then, and only then, would Quality department perform a third FAI. The check sheet with the results of the two operators' readings went to customer along with tagged sample. If everyone was happy with readings, production continued.

The good part - every operator had more pride in finished product and picked up important skills in measuring, SPC, customer-interaction. Customers were encouraged to ask questions directly of operators, who gave direct and honest answers. Quality department folk were considered partners and mentors instead of police.

The bad part - a much smaller Quality department.

Evolution of the concept - operators asked for and got direct read instruments which were wired into computers to eliminate hand entry of readings. Operators asked for and got bar code scanners to deal with travelers with each order. As production equipment became more and more computerized, operators asked for and got manufacturing cells which gave each operator more control over a larger part of each product. As operators became used to working with manufacturing cells, they asked for and received training in design of experiments so they could optimize their production. As all these things evolved, operator turnover dropped from 60% per year to less than 10%. Dollar production per man hour doubled in two years and doubled again in the next two years.

MRB (Material Review Board) was multi-discipline and operators were empowered to call a meeting of MRB any time to clarify suspect material whether incoming, in-process, or outgoing. They acted like owners and customers simultaneously!

We created a special conference room with chalkboards, screens, TV and VCRs, and PowerPoint projectors just for the operators to use as a meeting, training, and interview room. MRB members came from all over the plant to meet in their conference room.

Operators went to trade shows and machine tool showroom demonstrations. They interviewed and cross-examined tooling representatives about new materials and shapes. They demanded and got samples to use in their DOE. Finding a willing and knowledgeable audience, the tooling salesmen came with new ideas and innovations. One such collaboration resulted in a new production design of an existing component which had been traditionally made in three operations on different machines now dropped off complete from one machine, raising the Cpk from 1.3 to 2.5 - all done by a collaboration of operators and tooling salesmen.

Best part - without any emphasis on the part of management, production department had a remarkable increase in cleanliness.

If I had my druthers:
I'd like to see the inspection business disappear from the Quality department, but elevate the inspectors to trainers and ensure EVERY organization had a department of Quality trainers to train the entire organization.
 

Caster

An Early Cover
Trusted Information Resource
#80
WOW - What a Success!

Wes Bucey said:
every operator had more pride in finished product and picked up important skills in measuring, SPC, customer-interaction. Customers were encouraged to ask questions directly of operators, who gave direct and honest answers. Quality department folk were considered partners and mentors instead of police
Wes

What a great result to hear about. Three cheers. I enjoy the Cove but overall I find it pretty negative. You restored my faith in Quality.

:applause:

I too have had a "Change the World" experience in quality.

Would you care to share how you made this happen?

I am willing to bet that a passionate and visionary leader factored heavily in this success.

If you did this without management support, please, please tell us how.

Caster
 
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