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Would you leave the Quality Assurance profession given the option?

Would You Leave the Quality Assurance Profession Given the Option?

  • I would leave skid marks clearing my office!

    Votes: 22 27.2%
  • Only for more money

    Votes: 18 22.2%
  • If I could make the same money in another field

    Votes: 25 30.9%
  • I am deliriously happy in quality assurance!

    Votes: 16 19.8%

  • Total voters
    81

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
#81
Caster said:
Wes

What a great result to hear about. Three cheers. I enjoy the Cove but overall I find it pretty negative. You restored my faith in Quality.

:applause:

I too have had a "Change the World" experience in quality.

Would you care to share how you made this happen?

I am willing to bet that a passionate and visionary leader factored heavily in this success.

If you did this without management support, please, please tell us how.

Caster
The apology:
Somehow I missed this response by Caster. I apologize. It is a glitch of the software that polls keep popping up as "new" entries each time someone enters the poll, but not a new message. On busy days, I tend to skip over polls for that reason when an old poll comes to the top again.

The answer:
The scenario listed above was part of a multi-year program. Back in 1990, I was fretting during early retirement from my previous life as an investment banking executive.

An old acquaintance who had purchased a number of machine shops and consolidated them into one location called in a panic and begged for help. He was a tremendous salesman, but an incredibly lousy businessman who was in deep financial trouble - so deep, he had no idea how deep.

When I showed up for a visit, the place was in a shambles, dirty, with a messy underequipped office, creditors calling, etc. He literally begged me to "save him or shoot him to put him out of his misery."

I agreed, for a substantial piece of the action, to come out of retirement and turn the business around ("re-engineering" before the term got over-used and became a bad taste in everyone's mind.) We intended to groom the company for one or both of us to exit by selling off to the employees down the road via an ESOP (Employee Stock Ownership Plan.)

I had free rein and lots of experience from my investment banking days in remaking a company to make a good impression on new investors. We had little cash and lots of debts, but I was creative and savvy in dealing with money and credit to get best value for my dollar.

We dumped all low profit business and concentrated only on high profit, high tech, niche markets. We dumped outmoded equipment and brought in new, high output computer-driven models. We cleaned up the place so it sparkled like a machinery showroom. Every single person we hired and every piece of equipment we bought or leased had to pay its way and generate a big ROI.

Every technique in Quality, business building, marketing, operations, "partnering" and outsourcing I could read or learn about was considered with a FMEA-type approach before adopting or implementing. Instead of seeking benchmarks to model our organization after, we resolved to BE THE BENCHMARK. We took to mistake proofing in a big way and literally thrilled prospects, suppliers, and customers when we shared our ideas with them.

We packaged product to exactly match production quantities for a single shift at a customer's plant to make his life easier in tracking inventory. We strove to have Quality achieve "direct to production" status, bypassing incoming inspection, resulting in lower soft costs for us and customer, offsetting any increase in "hard costs."

We engaged in lots of concurrent engineering with customers (an adjunct of Contract Review) which made us an integral part of the customer's team so we by-passed the "auction" process for business and entered into "negotiated" pricing instead. The soft costs saved by us and customer justified higher hard costs.

Always, always, I kept my eye on the bottom line, but realized we had to spend money to make money. We made sure we were the best paying account for all our suppliers and constantly kept our pool of suppliers "in the loop" about upcoming projects.

We did everything we could to be customer-centric and empowered everyone in our organization to deal with any and every customer, "owning" the situation until it was resolved. Even our janitor was empowered to answer the phone and access a customer's account on the computer to answer a question or to go out in the shop and turn the call over to the actual operator working on the customer's order. We empowered everyone because it made economic sense to do so, giving us a solid reputation as the "can do" folks who gave answers, not excuses.

Alas, my fellow stockholder and friend got a terminal disease and died. His disease was an exclusion in the key man insurance policy because of a family history. His heirs had no interest in selling off as a going business to an ESOP, which meant taking back a substantial amount of bonds from employees as payment, and I was forced to sell off accounts and the machines and personnel to run the accounts for ready cash.

Truth be told, as good as I was at running the machining business, I never really liked it. I only liked the "action" of perceiving and solving problems.
 
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Ron Rompen

Trusted Information Resource
#82
Unfortuanately, the answers listed for the poll don't fit any of my responses.

I'm not 'deliriously happy' in Quality, but I do enjoy my job (at least most of the time). I've turned down other job offers, for more money, to continue doing what I do, where I do.

On the other hand, I've also applied for a position with LESS money, which would entail commuting daily (I -=LOATHE=- commuting) simply because it was a position I truly wanted, and thought that I would do well at.

I worked for a number of years in the Merchant Marine (ending as 2nd mate, working towards my Master's Foreign Going), and would happily go back to that in a minute, if I could get some reasonable assurance of job stability.
 
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SteelWoman

#83
Ron Rompen said:
...if I could get some reasonable assurance of job stability.

What's THAT?

OH!! "Job Stability" ... I remember now, it's what my father and grandfather used to talk about ... disappeared somewhere in the 80's, right? :(
 

Ron Rompen

Trusted Information Resource
#84
Well, job stability is a kind of funny thing. In my current position, I am confident that, unless I screw up, I will have a job for as long as the company continues to exist.

When I worked on the boats, however, it was a unionized position; I could be bumped by someone who got laid off from a totally different company. And with the ongoing reduction in the Great Lakes fleet (to say nothing of our lack of a deep-sea fleet) the jobs just aren't there any more.

I could go on and on and on about it...how we priced ourselves out of existence, the infighting among unions, etc etc, but it would bore most of you.

But gods, do I miss it :(
 
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pga_gold

#85
Travel Channel

I will bail on the quality job once I hone my poker skills. You can watch me late nights on the Travel Channel on the World Poker Tour.
 
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Phil mil std

#86
Leaving the quality world

I would not leave the quality world. Since quality can be applied in almost any sector you can change jobs and still have a great quality time!!
 
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KimLoree

#87
I have always enjoyed working in Quality Assurance. I think that it's because I continue to believe that we are truly "Here to Help". It's the helping that makes it fun.
Unfortunately, many people in other organizations see the Quality group as a hindrance or a roadblock to some kind of shortcut they are trying to take. That makes it frustrating...when you know personally, that you are trying to do your best to allow flexibility and change, while protecting the integrity of the quality system.
Anyway, I voted that I would leave for more money. That wouldn't necessarily be my answer of choice...but was the best of the four. I have a great job, lots of variety and challenges and make pretty good money. What I have come to hate more and more, is the beaurocracy and the "one-way" show of respect and loyalty. Our management has come to believe that they are entirely responsible for the success of the company and that the rest of us are all expendible. We are supposed to respect and be loyal to them, but the favor is not returned. So....I'm outta here as soon as my new business takes off :biglaugh: (knock on wood). A lot of other people are jumping ship as well. I don't know who's going to do the work when all of us expendible people are gone....but I'm sure that management will figure it out. :lol:
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
Admin
#88
Didn't vote, but it reminds me of the old story about a guy who ran into an old college buddy of his at the circus. The guy was shoveling elephant dung. His friend expressed surprise. "You graduated at the same time as me, with the same degree, and I've got a great job and I'm making a lot of money. How come you haven't found a better job?" His friend didn't hesitate before replying, "What, and quit show business??"
 

Ragnar

Involved In Discussions
#89
energy said:
Your choices show that there is possibly consistent tone of frustration on your end. The only positive choice for someone to express satisfaction is "Deliriously happy". That's a negative answer, also. So, I can't vote. Try "Very satisfied" or "Satisfied". I was delirious once from a reaction to Penicillin.
:ko: :smokin:
Opportunity to "Get Out"? SEE YA! (Skid Marks) You can only go through life being the "Bad Guy" or the "Whipping Boy" for so long.
It's hard not to grow weary in well doing.
In a culture where Quality is the ENEMY of Manufacturing / Production the days are long and the life span is short.
 

Jen Kirley

Quality and Auditing Expert
Staff member
Admin
#90
I also did not see a choice that suits my condition.

That would be, "Not if I could help it."

I am pretty sure by now I will be leaving this field as I know it behind, as there are so few places for me to use most of the skills discussed in this forum. I'll probably let all my certs lapse, and my membership to ASQ because I feel like none of it has applied to me for years.

I will continue to lurk and offer insight/input on what I know best, training and managing/measuring human performance for all-around value. I'll always be a Deminguite, so my passion will always be there--I just might not get paid for it unless I can do something like eventually become a school principal and employ the great things I know in that venue. And this would be a very good thing to do, as public education could surely use what we know.

Never give up!
 
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