Would you spend your own $$$ for ISO 9001 registration

[Carl Keller]

Boy, I picked the wrong days to have my office redecorated!

We could argue and give chapter and verse about teh standard and the associated guide till the cows come home, but in the end, ISO auditors should not be giving suggestions for anything related to the ISO standard, much less those things in your system that are not ISO related.

If you want your ISO system audited, get an ISO auditor.

If you want business or manufacturing related improvement suggestions, get a consultant that specializes in that area.

Industry is too competitive to put even a fraction of your company potential on the line by sharing even minor practices with soemone who may be in the competitors den in a week. Regardless of whether they are ethical or not.

I would say that those that do not see the problem with it are the very reason I would not want them in my facility.

Carl-

 

[Jim Wynne]

:truce: I give up.

 

[Don Palmer]

:truce: I give up.

It APPEARS you may have been outclassed. After viewing Paul's website through the profile link, I had little doubt as to the outcome of this debate.

JSW05, You're

 

[Jim Wynne]

It APPEARS you may have been outclassed. After viewing Paul's website through the profile link, I had little doubt as to the outcome of this debate.

JSW05, You're

Thank you. It's kind of like drinking beer--I know my limit. Sometimes I don't stop there, but I know where it is.

 

[Carl Keller]

Don't you mean "drinking pints of Ale?"

 

[Jim Wynne]

Don't you mean "drinking pints of Ale?"

Whatever puts the fire out

 

[Wes Bucey]

Whatever puts the fire out

What do you say, Carl? Shall we let James drink out of the boot?

:truce: I give up.

Nooooooo! Say it isn't so!

It APPEARS you may have been outclassed. After viewing Paul's website through the profile link, I had little doubt as to the outcome of this debate.

OUCH! 404 codes do NOT a website make!

I would say that those that do not see the problem with it are the very reason I would not want them in my facility.

Amen!
Perhaps on that note, we ought to close the thread. Any objections?

 

[Sidney Vianna]

Perhaps on that note, we ought to close the thread. Any objections?

Hi Wes. I am not a forum moderator. What is meant by closing a thread? Or do you mean closing the poll?
In my experience closing threads was something done only in case of extreme situations where things got way out of hand and personal attacks went much beyond the casual heated discussions. Personally I don't think this was the case in this thread. What purpose would serve "closing this thread"?

 

[Wes Bucey]

Hi Wes. I am not a forum moderator. What is meant by closing a thread? Or do you mean closing the poll?
In my experience closing threads was something done only in case of extreme situations where things got way out of hand and personal attacks went much beyond the casual heated discussions. Personally I don't think this was the case in this thread. What purpose would serve "closing this thread"?

There are several options to closing a thread:

1. Delete entirely - not contemplated here
2. Close and hide - usually a temporary measure while Moderators and Administrators debate about content
3. Close to additional comment, but leave visible for reference purposes (contemplated here)

My reasoning (not firm, which is why I asked for opinion) is that two sides have a basic disagreement about interpreting a specific document (Guide 62) and have exhausted civil debate on the matter. I proposed to close it before emotions get out of hand. We have already devolved on one side to "displacement" (a term in comparative psychology where the subject transfers to a different topic in order to avoid a direct confrontation. Animals protecting territories often do this by stopping to preen themselves or appearing to lose interest instead of battling an encroacher.) The switch to humor, however crude or rude, is a prime example of human displacement.

If you have an interpretation of Guide 62 or a later version which resolves the issue, please post!

 

[Sidney Vianna]

My take

Thanks for the explanation. Since you are asking for feedback, I don't think this thread should be closed. While there are two strongly opposing views to the subject, I believe that civility has been reinstated.

There are no new revisions to the IAF Guidance document. As I mentioned already, ISO 17021 is being developed to replace ISO Guide 62.
I suspect that this thread, if allowed to continue, will continue to receive a lot of attention (over 3750 views so far). And increasing traffic to the Cove is a good thing.