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Would you spend your own $$$ for ISO 9001 registration

Would you spend your own money for ISO 9001 registration?

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 27.5%
  • No

    Votes: 29 72.5%

  • Total voters
    40

Mike S.

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#41
My guess is most of the folks who voted "no" would in actuality change to "yes" if major/critical customers demanded registration. It would then become just another business expense -- assuming the registration process did nothing to actually improve your business except allow you to do business with certain customers.
 
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Cari Spears

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#42
We had critical/major customers demanding that we be ISO registered in order to do business with them. Those same customers are now not even among our top 20% - they're buying overseas now. Hence the need for our shift into new market segments and new product lines - while still maintaining our share of our current markets. The more diverse we are, the less one or two customers can hurt us.

My vote is still no.
 
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Carl Keller

#43
I think given a CHOICE, the poll reults stand.

If customers demand, it becomes a business decision.

If the registration costs approach or exceed the profit you will make from the customer(s), the choice no longer becomes a choice, it becomes a cost of doing business.

Carl-
 
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AllanJ

#44
Carl Keller said:
I think given a CHOICE, the poll reults stand.

If customers demand, it becomes a business decision.

If the registration costs approach or exceed the profit you will make from the customer(s), the choice no longer becomes a choice, it becomes a cost of doing business.

Carl-
Of course some customers demand one's company complies with ISO 9000 while others demand one's company is registered to ISO 9000. There is an important difference.
 

Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
#45
Keep this thought firmly in mind. There are a lot of suppliers of goods and services in the world who are neither registered nor compliant with ISO9k2k who continue in business because they have customers who only demand good products and services at good prices.

Folks who gravitate to Forums like the Cove represent only a small slice of the universe of producers and consumers.

Sadly, in the same vein, we could probably poll ALL 80 or 90,000 ASQ members and find a substantial number who have no clue who Deming, Crosby, and Juran are and have never heard of, let alone witnessed or participated in a Red Bead experiment.

The bottom line is: those of us who are most savvy about ISO9k2k are most likely to have doubts about the value of registration versus compliance when market does not demand registration.

Folks with no experience with a non-system versus a system which follows the general principles of ISO9k2k won't understand the emotions inherent in the debate.

Heck. We have folks visiting here in the Cove who have never known a life without color TV who would be completely stunned to learn entire towns used to come to a halt when the Amos & Andy show was on the radio. My grandfather's movie theater scheduled films around the Amos & Andy show time and would pipe the radio program into the theater. The alternate was to shut down completely because folks simply wouldn't come otherwise.

The point is "if you haven't experienced chaos without a Standardized Quality system, you can't truly appreciate an operation with a Standard system." Folks who know only a registered system complain about minor aspects of nitpicking auditors because they never experienced a truly chaotic system with zero documentation and zero thinking about improving processes. These were operations with little or no regard for safety and well being of employees, little or no regard for the environment, and absolutely no tolerance for any input by a customer, who had only one option (buy or don't buy.)

Now that we are "enlightened," as customers, we recognize the importance of dealing with organized, efficient suppliers because it is in our own self interest to ensure a steady stream of products and services with a consistent expectation of uniformity. Some customers feel they need a "police force" to ensure stability to the supply chain and so the concept of 3rd party inspectors was born. Like it or not, the corporate memories of these customers goes back to the time of chaos and they don't want to return.
 
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Carl Keller

#46
Interesting frame of reference because if you played Amos and Andy nowadays at all, you would likely be shut down by someone who considered it offensive.

That being said, I think all cultures throughout time respected the power and importance of having a structured approach to "making" things, whether it be a pyramid, interchangeable parts for firearms or silicon chips.

Carl-
 
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Wes Bucey

Prophet of Profit
#47
Carl. I love you like a brother, but you are in error. structured approach to "making" things is relatively new. Pyramids were each one-of-a-kind. The methods couldn't have been too structured if the technique died out with the builders and is only recently "reverse engineered." Guns were all hand made, from scratch, no interchangeability, until relatively recently. Certainly, interchangeability came long after firearms were invented. Same thing with shoes, dresses, nails, lumber, needles, thread, cloth, etc. all which enjoyed a long history before a "structured" approach entered into their production.

With a little effort, I'm sure you can add to the list.
 
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Carl Keller

#48
Wes,

You are of course correct. True structured manufacturing systems are a recent development.

But I bet those Pharohs had a system to cut the stones relatively uniform.

I was referring to Eli Whitney making interchangeable parts about 1798 for the military. often heralded as the precursor to production line mentality.

I never said they were good at it, just that they appreciated the concept.

Carl-
 

Jim Wynne

Staff member
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#49
Wes Bucey said:
Sadly, in the same vein, we could probably poll ALL 80 or 90,000 ASQ members and find a substantial number who have no clue who Deming, Crosby, and Juran are ..
I have all their albums, but I liked them best when Neil Young was still in the group.
 
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