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Z (Archived) Copyright - Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

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Randy

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#21
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

One point of contention has always been "What are the limits of fair use?" This particular point has been argued probably since the beginning and not truly resolved...kinda like "What is pornography?" What it is to one may very well be different to another.

Would our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite? (Spelled it correct didn't I Wes?) Or better yet, could our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite?

Interesting idea to ponder.
 

Marc

Captain Nice
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#22
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

Technically, anyone who has lent a book, magazine, standard or other 'document' they bought to someone else to read is 'guilty' of depriving the copyright holder of their 'due profit' if one wants to address the issue in a broader sense.

Randy: From the TOS:

Elsmar Cove TOS said:
5. CONTENT RIGHTS

a. You also agree that you understand that any posts you make, including any attachments to discussion thread posts, are made into 'The Public Domain'. Neither I, nor you, can make any claim of 'Copyright' ownership of any post or attachments herein - even your own. Posting or attaching a file to a post implies your consent to distribution from this site without restriction. These forums are open to everyone on the internet and are meant to be a resource for exchanging ideas and information - not a source of legal problems.

b. However, you may not copy any post(s) and/or download post attachments and distribute, or use, or sell them for profit. Doing so requires the express written consent of the person who posted the post and/or file attached to the post.
 

harry

Super Moderator
#23
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

I had contacted Marc & the moderators previously on copyright issues through the 'complaints' button provided and received postive response. One of the last was when someone posted an 'open' version of standard meant for universities. Scott Catron responded and informed me that the post was removed after deliberations.

I thank those who participated initially - Jane, Wes and Jim. None of them are wrong. Their difference is just in the extend one is willing to 'stretched' in the interpretation of the term copyright and each had stated their views and articulate their arguments well. The key here is we must agree to disagree.

Now that Marc had made his stand clear and also make known that he is not 'sleeping' on this issue, we should stop arguing any more. Otherwise it would look as if one is trying to impose their views on him - which I am sure, nobody had that intention.

If you have any issues in future, please use the 'complains' button mentioned by Marc. I can vouched that it works.
 
#24
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

One point of contention has always been "What are the limits of fair use?" This particular point has been argued probably since the beginning and not truly resolved...kinda like "What is pornography?" What it is to one may very well be different to another.

Would our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite? (Spelled it correct didn't I Wes?) Or better yet, could our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite?

Interesting idea to ponder.
Close enough for government work!:lmao:
 

Sidney Vianna

Post Responsibly
Staff member
Admin
#25
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

I want to mention that ISO online states:

6.3 Can I reproduce material from this site?
We're glad you find it useful! Much of the material may be reproduced with appropriate permission and acknowledgement. See the ISO copyright guide for information about copyright.
So, by providing the source link, I comply with the "acknowledgement" aspect. I am waiting to hear back from ISO on my enquiry to see what kind of permission, if any, they will grant.

ISO, just like most progressive organizations, benefit from increased traffic in their website. The Cove has directly and indirectly provided useful hits to ISO online. If they decide that "cutting and pasting" is not allowed, they would lose web traffic, as well. So, they have a vested interest to make a balanced decision. I would hope that they have the necessary resources to review the large number of permission requests they should receive, if they truly enforce their copyright guide, or they change it to a more realistic one.

Copyright policies set by unchallenged legal advisers tend to be extremely restrictive just for the sake of being as conservative as possible. But hard to manage, in the real world. The fact that I have not received a response yet makes me question if the slow permission review process is making ISO customers and stakeholders unhappy. :cool:. After all, they are certified to ISO 9001.
 
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D.Scott

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Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

The fact that I have not received a response yet makes me question if the slow permission review process is making ISO customers and stakeholders unhappy. :cool:. After all, they are certified to ISO 9001.
I had occasion to ask ISO permission to reproduce one of their forms. It took a while but they did respond. Their permission gave me the impression they were enthusiastic about their material being used for educational purposes. My experience with them prompts me to agree with Sidney that permission will be forthcoming. I must add that I like that Sidney has requested permission. Access to certain parts of publications/documents will certainly be a welcome resource to the Cove.

Dave
 

Sidney Vianna

Post Responsibly
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#30
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

After waiting for over a week with no reply, I contacted an ISO representative that I communicate with, from time to time. He replied back to me with the following:

Dear Mr. Vianna,

You're welcome to post such material from the ISO Web site on condition that you request permission for the specific material first and clearly indicate ISO's Web site as the source, with a link to the Web site. Looking at the material you had posted, it wasn't always clear to me which material came from ISO and which material was developed by you.

Thank you for the exposure you're giving to our material and thanks for contacting me on this.
So, basically, he confirmed the copyright policies we already knew. Since I did not ask for permission from ISO to post the ISO 9000 and 14000 FAQ's, I believe that Marc should delete my posts with the ISO FAQ's, and if anyone is willing to, go through the proper channels in the right sequence.
 
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