Z (Archived) Copyright - Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

Status
Not open for further replies.

Randy

Super Moderator
#21
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

One point of contention has always been "What are the limits of fair use?" This particular point has been argued probably since the beginning and not truly resolved...kinda like "What is pornography?" What it is to one may very well be different to another.

Would our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite? (Spelled it correct didn't I Wes?) Or better yet, could our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite?

Interesting idea to ponder.
 
Elsmar Forum Sponsor

Marc

Hunkered Down for the Duration
Staff member
Admin
#22
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

Technically, anyone who has lent a book, magazine, standard or other 'document' they bought to someone else to read is 'guilty' of depriving the copyright holder of their 'due profit' if one wants to address the issue in a broader sense.

Randy: From the TOS:

Elsmar Cove TOS said:
5. CONTENT RIGHTS

a. You also agree that you understand that any posts you make, including any attachments to discussion thread posts, are made into 'The Public Domain'. Neither I, nor you, can make any claim of 'Copyright' ownership of any post or attachments herein - even your own. Posting or attaching a file to a post implies your consent to distribution from this site without restriction. These forums are open to everyone on the internet and are meant to be a resource for exchanging ideas and information - not a source of legal problems.

b. However, you may not copy any post(s) and/or download post attachments and distribute, or use, or sell them for profit. Doing so requires the express written consent of the person who posted the post and/or file attached to the post.
 

harry

Super Moderator
#23
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

I had contacted Marc & the moderators previously on copyright issues through the 'complaints' button provided and received postive response. One of the last was when someone posted an 'open' version of standard meant for universities. Scott Catron responded and informed me that the post was removed after deliberations.

I thank those who participated initially - Jane, Wes and Jim. None of them are wrong. Their difference is just in the extend one is willing to 'stretched' in the interpretation of the term copyright and each had stated their views and articulate their arguments well. The key here is we must agree to disagree.

Now that Marc had made his stand clear and also make known that he is not 'sleeping' on this issue, we should stop arguing any more. Otherwise it would look as if one is trying to impose their views on him - which I am sure, nobody had that intention.

If you have any issues in future, please use the 'complains' button mentioned by Marc. I can vouched that it works.
 

Wes Bucey

Quite Involved in Discussions
#24
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

One point of contention has always been "What are the limits of fair use?" This particular point has been argued probably since the beginning and not truly resolved...kinda like "What is pornography?" What it is to one may very well be different to another.

Would our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite? (Spelled it correct didn't I Wes?) Or better yet, could our original thoughts that we place here in this medium be protected by copyrite?

Interesting idea to ponder.
Close enough for government work!:lmao:
 

Sidney Vianna

Post Responsibly
Staff member
Admin
#25
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

I want to mention that ISO online states:

6.3 Can I reproduce material from this site?
We're glad you find it useful! Much of the material may be reproduced with appropriate permission and acknowledgement. See the ISO copyright guide for information about copyright.
So, by providing the source link, I comply with the "acknowledgement" aspect. I am waiting to hear back from ISO on my enquiry to see what kind of permission, if any, they will grant.

ISO, just like most progressive organizations, benefit from increased traffic in their website. The Cove has directly and indirectly provided useful hits to ISO online. If they decide that "cutting and pasting" is not allowed, they would lose web traffic, as well. So, they have a vested interest to make a balanced decision. I would hope that they have the necessary resources to review the large number of permission requests they should receive, if they truly enforce their copyright guide, or they change it to a more realistic one.

Copyright policies set by unchallenged legal advisers tend to be extremely restrictive just for the sake of being as conservative as possible. But hard to manage, in the real world. The fact that I have not received a response yet makes me question if the slow permission review process is making ISO customers and stakeholders unhappy. :cool:. After all, they are certified to ISO 9001.
 
D

D.Scott

#26
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

The fact that I have not received a response yet makes me question if the slow permission review process is making ISO customers and stakeholders unhappy. :cool:. After all, they are certified to ISO 9001.
I had occasion to ask ISO permission to reproduce one of their forms. It took a while but they did respond. Their permission gave me the impression they were enthusiastic about their material being used for educational purposes. My experience with them prompts me to agree with Sidney that permission will be forthcoming. I must add that I like that Sidney has requested permission. Access to certain parts of publications/documents will certainly be a welcome resource to the Cove.

Dave
 

Sidney Vianna

Post Responsibly
Staff member
Admin
#30
Re: Cut and Paste Copyright Issues

After waiting for over a week with no reply, I contacted an ISO representative that I communicate with, from time to time. He replied back to me with the following:

Dear Mr. Vianna,

You're welcome to post such material from the ISO Web site on condition that you request permission for the specific material first and clearly indicate ISO's Web site as the source, with a link to the Web site. Looking at the material you had posted, it wasn't always clear to me which material came from ISO and which material was developed by you.

Thank you for the exposure you're giving to our material and thanks for contacting me on this.
So, basically, he confirmed the copyright policies we already knew. Since I did not ask for permission from ISO to post the ISO 9000 and 14000 FAQ's, I believe that Marc should delete my posts with the ISO FAQ's, and if anyone is willing to, go through the proper channels in the right sequence.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Thread starter Similar threads Forum Replies Date
L Does ISO 9001 require that hard copies of documents be archived? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 13
M Requesting Information From FDA concerning Archived 510K 21 CFR Part 820 - US FDA Quality System Regulations (QSR) 7
M GHTF (Global Harmonization Task Force) "Archived" Document question EU Medical Device Regulations 3
M Validating 3rd Party Software which Tracks Archived Samples Qualification and Validation (including 21 CFR Part 11) 2
TheMightyWife Copyright for articles used in CER (Clinical Evaluation Report) EU Medical Device Regulations 16
Sam Lazzara USA Federal Court Upholds Copyright Protections for Standards Organizations Various Other Specifications, Standards, and related Requirements 3
M I am looking for the text of the copyright 'rules' for AS9100 AS9100, IAQG 9100, Nadcap and related Aerospace Standards and Requirements 7
M Plagiarism & Copyright Infringement Discussion Quality Manager and Management Related Issues 20
Marc Surprise! American ISPs to launch massive copyright spying scheme on July 12 After Work and Weekend Discussion Topics 5
Hershal This morning I received notification that I have my third copyright Coffee Break and Water Cooler Discussions 11
Marc Copyright - Including Copyrighted Material from other Websites or Sources in Posts Elsmar Cove Forum ToS and Forum Policies 12
Q AIAG Standards - What promotes copyright infringement? IATF 16949 - Automotive Quality Systems Standard 2
S Intranet Communication of Standards Guidelines - Copyright Aspects Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 5
Marc Copyright - 'Ownership' of Post Content and Files Attached to Posts Elsmar Cove Forum ToS and Forum Policies 2
P ASTM copyright infringement? Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 18
A ISO Standards - Copyright Limitations Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 3
S Reproducing parts of a standard in a Procedure - copyright infringement? Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 6
Q The best way to view standards for free without violating copyright Coffee Break and Water Cooler Discussions 17
T How much can you "copy" before violating the copyright Other ISO and International Standards and European Regulations 22
W Copyright - Links in Posts Leading to Copyrighted Material on Other Web Sites Elsmar Cove Forum ToS and Forum Policies 25
JWenmeekers Copyright reminder Document Control Systems, Procedures, Forms and Templates 4
CarolX Copyright Material vs. File Sharing - Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 Elsmar Cove Forum ToS and Forum Policies 14
DuncanGibbons How are part cut out specimens made and tested? Manufacturing and Related Processes 1
J Painted cut threads - ASME Pipe Suppliers Manufacturing and Related Processes 6
Hershal Fire disaster in Southern California (Blue Cut fire) - August 2016 Coffee Break and Water Cooler Discussions 22
somashekar Adhesive Seepage from Die Cut Parts Edge Manufacturing and Related Processes 13
D Hard cut off date for certificates to be issued against ISO 9001:2008? ISO 9000, ISO 9001, and ISO 9004 Quality Management Systems Standards 17
Jim Wynne Measure Twice, Cut Once: The French Railroad Snafu World News 18
Y How to cut off Extremely High and Low Data Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 2
Q Do cut-in ECOs trigger "control of nonconforming product" procedure? AS9100, IAQG 9100, Nadcap and related Aerospace Standards and Requirements 3
AnaMariaVR2 Lazy Lawn Mowing (Lazy Way to Cut the Grass!) Funny Stuff - Jokes and Humour 5
C Inspecting a Profile Tolerance for a Die Cut Gasket Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 2
Fender1 PPAP-PSW Accuracy Concern - Laser Cut Holes In Formed Fabricated Steel Part APQP and PPAP 15
M Vinyl and Cloth Cut Parts Tolerances? (Car Seats) Manufacturing and Related Processes 8
J First Mile Stone/Cut-Off Date for AS9100 Transition - R.I.P. AS9100 Rev. B AS9100, IAQG 9100, Nadcap and related Aerospace Standards and Requirements 14
AnaMariaVR2 Sartorius launches device to cut and seal single-use tubes US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 0
S Cut Edge Quality Specifications for Mild Steel Quality Tools, Improvement and Analysis 6
I Prove or disprove that a cube can be cut in 27 smaller cubes in less than 6 cuts Brain Teasers and Puzzles 14
T What is the significance of "Cut Off Length" in roughness and waviness measurement? Manufacturing and Related Processes 3
A Customer Quality Complaint - Visual Defects from cut-to-length shear Manufacturing and Related Processes 8
Marc Chrysler to cut 800 dealers on Thursday World News 1
A Normal Deviation - short cut/method to calculate sigma Statistical Analysis Tools, Techniques and SPC 2
bobdoering GM to cut 14% of global salaried workforce this year World News 0
bobdoering Nissan To Cut 20,000 Jobs World-Wide. World News 0
M Do Package Inserts Meet the FDA Definition of Cut Labeling? Inspection, Prints (Drawings), Testing, Sampling and Related Topics 2
Stijloor GM to cut jobs, bonuses, and dividend World News 20
C Gage R&R @ 10% - Does that mean you should cut your tolerance Gage R&R (GR&R) and MSA (Measurement Systems Analysis) 9
S How can I die cut foam - I'm thinking of a simple hand machine? Manufacturing and Related Processes 15
Ajit Basrur FDA warning on canned French Cut Green Beans US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 4
Sidney Vianna ISO 14001 FAQ's Cut and Pasted from the ISO Site ISO 14001:2015 Specific Discussions 0
Similar threads


















































Top Bottom