Subject: Uncertainty Religion RE46 Date: Fri, 5 Mar 1999 11:32:02 -0500 (EST) From: TSmith To: Greg Gogates Subject: Re: Uncertainty Religion RE42 Greetings All, To add to the misinformation, there are many accredited labs that provide services that are not in the accredited labs scope that do not carry the accreditation endorsement. I have seen too many labs ask a prospective new calibration supplier " are you A2LA or NVLAP accredited. The lab states " Yes" . The Client lab sends all their work into the Accredited lab to be calibrated. The accredited cal lab provides calibration Certs with the accreditation LOGO. For those that have preprinted the LOGO on the cert paper, and provided a calibration outside the scope have a disclaimer on the cert that states "this service is not currently covered on our scope of accreditation". I've seen it, Many others have seen it, and If the lab doesn't read their certificates and requests a copy of the Cal labs scope and researches the service, then we sit here and write about a misunderstanding. Better Research of the service helps a ton. Request a quote from your prospective calibration supplier and ask them to identify for each instrument, if the service provided is covered by their accreditation. Nothing requires a lab provide only accredited services if the are a multiservice company. Qualifying your suppliers includes the above awareness. I await the responses from those that understand this example. Tom Smith Dedicated to excellence in measurements -----Original Message----- From: Greg Gogates To: iso25@quality.org Date: Thursday, March 04, 1999 5:11 PM Subject: Uncertainty Religion RE42 >Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:53:22 -0500 >From: R&B Turner >To: Greg Gogates >Subject: Uncertainty Religion RE39 > >In support of Thomas Adams on the question of an assessor not accepting a >certificate from a lab accredited by NVLAP , are we sure that we are not >dealing with another of these cases where the accredited lab choses NOT to >provide a certificate that bears the logo of the body that has accredited >it ? Such a certificate has no support from the accreditation body because >the latter has no authority to take action if there is something wrong with >it . > The above has been discussed before on Greg's e-mail . >Further in support of Thomas, it is desirable that all facts are fully >understood and substantiated before pulication . I would like Brian to give >us the full story . I find that the level of understanding is such as to >make this an absolute necessity. > Dick Turner ( Recently declared Pope by Tom Smith ) >