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Marc Smith
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posted 13 January 1999 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Labs and Calibration requirements in the QS-9000 Third Edition

Dispelling Rumors


QS-9000 registered suppliers, who wish to remain registered, will need to implement the QSR Third Edition changes by January 1999. The QSR Second Edition ceases to exist January 1, 1999. Most suppliers are aware of these facts.

But what isn't as clear to most suppliers, are the details about the specific changes to the Requirements brought on by the Third Edition. And, most importantly, what the changes mean to the their quality management system.

"What do we need to do to comply?"

Two requirements in the Third Edition that are creating a lot of questions are 4.10.6 - Supplier Laboratory Requirements and 4.11.2.b.1 - Calibration Services.

What follows is an explanation of both 4.10.6 and 4.11.2.b.1 directly from the Supplier Quality Requirement Task Force, the Big Three's team who facilitates the creation and maintenance of the QS-9000 Requirements.

In addition, the explanation is followed by an offer of extra help and a way to get it.

4.10.6 - Requirements for an In-House Laboratory

4.11.2.b.1 - Requirements for Calibration Services

Cost

Compliance to 4.10.6 or 4.11.2.b.1 (or 4.10.7) was not intended to be onerous. Much flexibility was placed into the requirements so that suppliers (and independent labs) can meet the needs of the OEM customers in the most expedient and cost effective manner.

The bottom line for the inclusion of the requirements and their implementation by suppliers is to insure that all testing, measuring and inspecting activities are controlled, can be confirmed and produce results that can be trusted.

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Marc Smith
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posted 13 January 1999 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An FYI:

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 22:17:43 -0500
From: Nancy Foncannon
To: Greg Gogates
Subject: Re: Scope of Calibration for QS9000 Third Edition

Brian: The only source for official help comes from AIAG and its affiliate, the Plexus Training Corp. Whatever "opinions" you may get from the general public are just that: opinions. You can view the AIAG/Plexus "interpretations" at http://www.plexus-training.com Then click at the first line that states getting more information on the QS-9000 changes. The information posted covers the changes to 4.10 and 4.11 sections of QS-9000.

Their definition of Scope is somewhat different than a "Scope of Accreditation" as defined by A2LA, as you stated in your message. Also, please note that I am not "selling" the Plexus services, just using that as a source of information. In fact, AIAG and Plexus have their hands in each others' pockets (financially speaking, that is :=)) and are tying up the "training rights" of the free enterprise system. But let's not get on that soapbox!

So, after checking out that information, give your current Registrar a call. They are not allowed to give consulting. However, they can tell you if you are headed in the right direction, according to their mode of thinking at the present time. But face it, what's the worst thing that can happen during the QS-9000 audit? A minor non-conformance for an incorrectly defined Scope! So, don't loose too much sleep over the issue at this point. There is also a strong rumor that AIAG will delay implementation of the 4.11.2.b.1 change.

Hope this helps. Regards, Nancy.
ISO/QS/Guide 25 Auditor, Trainer & Consultant

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SCOTT SNYDER
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posted 14 January 1999 07:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SCOTT SNYDER   Click Here to Email SCOTT SNYDER     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MARK,
IS THERE ANY WORD ON WHEN THE AIAG WILL MAKE THE DECISION ON DELAYING THE REQUIREMENT FOR 4.11.2.b.1. WE HAVE OUR QS9000 AUDIT ON THE 25TH OF JAN. THIS IS PROBABLY MY 1 MAJOR HANGUP IN MY CALIBRATION SYSTEM.
THANKS, SCOTT

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Marc Smith
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posted 14 January 1999 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe there is some info on this but I forget which forum and thread. Do a search here in the forum (see near top of page) on 4.10.6 and 4.11.2 and it should pop up. I believe the thread is in the Calibration forum but I'm not sure.

Off hand I am not aware of any 'official' declaration of an 'official' delay.

Ahhhh! See:

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