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Daniel Emond
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posted 08 February 1999 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Emond     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Would anybody tell me what kind of subjects we may develop first with a supplier that is not very concerned by the OEM ?

We have identified our critical subcontractors. But we produce items for customers who make business with OEM. It has already been hard for us to follow all QS9000 requirements (like PPAP for example). So, we anticipate the answers of our suppliers if we ask them to built stuff like "control plan" or "FMEA" ?

Any comments ?

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posted 08 February 1999 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is one of the big problems. My customers, Tier 1 or OEM do not conform to this clause in my respect and any attempts by me to receive help advice, training is generally rebuffed .
We are now in a situation wherby we are required to show our customers the warrant of our purchased parts.
I try to explain them the requirements and expect that they will give me a control plan , not neccesarily as I submit but as a collection of their work instructions, which is what the control plan really is. The enlightened suppliers realise that the requests by me are in the long run to their benefit.
It is a lot of work and if we do not do it we will get a non conformacy.
Ask for the simple stuff first .
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Daniel Emond
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posted 09 February 1999 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Daniel Emond     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your comments Howard. We have requested us almost the same. Our purshasing manager have recently completed the annual subcontractor's evaluation. We sent in the same mailing some directives to explain to the critical subcontractors our needs related to the subcontractors development.

Basically, we ask for their control plans. We explained us the difference between a "control plan" and "an inspection and test plan" that we used to talk with ISO standards. Almost of our critical subcontractors are ISO 9002 registered or maybe more.

So, we simply explained us, as a first request, the added elements compared to ITP as: "reaction plan", "special characteristics, ...

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