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Debra Woodford
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posted 16 August 1999 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debra Woodford   Click Here to Email Debra Woodford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retention List?? I know that some of the documents on the list have mandated retention periods, such as Customer blue prints, and insp & test records, PPAPS, but how do you determine the retention period of the other documents that have to be retained?

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posted 16 August 1999 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lassitude   Click Here to Email Lassitude     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, you just ask yourself how long you should keep a record. I assume you're talking quality records. Some will be defined by QS9000 and some by customer or other (government, for example) source. Some will only be defined by you. No magic to help you.

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posted 16 August 1999 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debra Woodford   Click Here to Email Debra Woodford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, If only we had some "Magic" to make this whole process go a little smoother.

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posted 16 August 1999 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
when asking how long to keep a record, look at how long it is useful..... Is it fair to Say a customer or your process guy may call 2 years from now and need to see it? is it fair to say after 30 days no-one would ever need it (for instance, something else would take its place. OR.....Once it has been entered into the computer we never go back to the hard copy....so keep it till the end of the day...or till it is entered. Its not cast in stone, if you choose a lousy time frame, change it (up or down).....Make it meaningful...'Cause whatever you choose you and your customers have to live with..Don't save stuff you don't really need.

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Debra Woodford
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posted 16 August 1999 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Debra Woodford   Click Here to Email Debra Woodford     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Barb, but doesn't the computer files also need to be on the retention list and have a specified time for disposal? So the hard copy being destroyed end of day, or once it is entered would be ok, then the electronic data for ??? Anyway I think I am getting the idea If it's not mandated by customer,QS9000 or government standards it's all up to what we decide is a long enough time frame Right?

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posted 16 August 1999 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALM   Click Here to Email ALM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
RIGHT!

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posted 16 August 1999 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of my current ISO clients is a trucking company. I ws talking to the fellow who runs the maintenance. We were talking about the records he keeps of truck checks before going out and the checks coming in. I asked him why he only kept the records for 6 months. He said he used to keep them for 2 years. Then after a couple of years there was too much paper accumulating and reduced it to a year "...since no one asked me anything about any of them in those first couple of years..." Then, a few years later, he said, he reduced it to 6 months because still no one ever asked to see them. No other requirement - so - it made sense to me so 6 months was fine for me, too.

You can go into the details but much comes up to common sense. But - as I always say - Can You Explain This to the auditor?

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posted 16 August 1999 07:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking more of backup stuff you didn't need to keep...but yes...if its an electronic record, it needs a retention period...a matrix is the easiest incase you haven't gotten that far yet. Be sure to include what happens at the end of the retention period.....as in shred classified stuff if it applies.

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posted 16 August 1999 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QS requires (in 4.16.1) "The supplier shall eventually dispose of records." That's their liability fear showing.

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posted 16 August 1999 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, see Elsmar.com/pdf_files/Doc_Matrix.pdf

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