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dewie
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posted 06 November 1999 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dewie   Click Here to Email dewie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have anyone heard about Ford,s requirement about their supplier to get not only QS9000 but also ISO 14001?

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posted 08 November 1999 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike525   Click Here to Email Mike525     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In the Ford-specific requirements section of the QSR manual, it says Ford suppliers are not required to pursue 3rd party registration to QS-9000. When did this change?

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 05 March 2000).]

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Marc Smith
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posted 08 November 1999 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think Ford ever specificaly required registration. They required a company to be working towards it, as I remember. I may be wrong here, however.

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posted 08 November 1999 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laura M   Click Here to Email Laura M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I always heard Ford required "compliance" not registration to QS. But they had a deadline..not just working towards.

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posted 08 November 1999 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well - yeah. You have to have QOS and a plan for QS. Havta have a plan and havta be followin' the plan 'within reason'.

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posted 09 November 1999 07:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the Ford requirement for ISO14001 compliance is world-wide.

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Spaceman Spiff
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posted 09 November 1999 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I just read on the Quality Digest website that GM also announced the ISO14000 compliance requirements for all its suppliers. Here we go again!

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dewie
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posted 09 November 1999 09:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dewie   Click Here to Email dewie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard that FORD's supplier need to register for QS9000 in the year 2000,but ISO14000 no exactly due date.

So surprised that GM requires ISO14000, too.
Is this a 'shall' or 'should' or 'recommend'?

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posted 10 November 1999 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ford will require manufacturing suppliers to conform to ISO14001 by 1 July 2003.

GM has set a deadline of 31 December 2002 for its suppliers and their own facilities (or so they say).

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posted 11 November 1999 08:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the other Ford ISO14001 registration requirement is that you have to have one faciltiy registered by the end of 2001. GM's requirement, I think, is to have all facilities compliant (not necessarily registered) by Dec 2002. I don't think GM is requiring any registrations to ISO14001, just compliance. Also, Chrylser has not come out with anything on ISO14001 yet.

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posted 11 November 1999 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CClark   Click Here to Email CClark     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What does this mean to tier 2 suppliers?

Also-will NACD Responsible care or NPCA Coatings Care requirements be acceptable alternatives, since they track very closely to ISO-14000?

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posted 11 November 1999 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only Tier 1 are required as of now, but the others should start looking into 14K themselves.

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posted 22 November 1999 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALM   Click Here to Email ALM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What I find immensely humorous is that ISO 14001 doesn't even garner a sniff of the OSHA Standards to which we are (allegedly) following...

Do the Big 3 just want to force us to spend money on whatever the hell whim strikes them in a given year?

I am almost half expecting them to come out with "ISO 14001 + some extra stuff that the Big 3" want, just so they can generate some more income having to make purchases from the AIAG...

...then they'll follow with sanctioned interpretations and the like...

...what a racket.

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posted 22 November 1999 03:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting point. With QS9000 going the way of ISO16949, AIAG has to justify it's existance, don't they? Let's all say it together now... QS14000!

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posted 22 November 1999 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! QS-14000! Another automotive forum!

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dewie
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posted 23 November 1999 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dewie   Click Here to Email dewie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Relax....pals. Let's think like an optimist. After you pay some grand for the system, you get some cent back.

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posted 24 November 1999 07:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops...i did it again...(the 100th time this week....LOL) i wasn't complaining or venting...i was just joking around that i need to slow down...I really do...i am ready for a horse and buggy week..... Nothing to do with the standard...sorry if i sounded bitchy....

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Bill Harris
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posted 01 December 1999 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill Harris   Click Here to Email Bill Harris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't apologize Barb, We all have weeks like that.
I just figured it out...if I take every class that AIAG offers (no matter what it is) I should be COMPLETELY prepared for what ever the big 3 comes up with. Or they could just combine all of the programs and call it
ISO/QS/TS 16949900012342000...whatcha think?

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posted 01 December 1999 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good Lord,

All these numbers you guys keep spouting is starting to make my head spin and give me Exedrin headache #292.

I thought I had a bunch to keep up with trying to comply with 29CFR, 40CFR, 49CFR, 10CFR, 8CCR, 22CCR, Army Regulations, Post Regulations, Corporate crap, and all the other stuff in the EHS realm.

You guys got it tuff.

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Just read all the comments and thought I'd throw this in: my co-workers and I have heard that Ford told its suppliers that to qualify for Q1 status, they have to be QS-9000 registered.

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posted 10 December 1999 11:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Where did you folks 'hear' this?

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Elberth Ardila Tabera
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Ford Venezolana told us, about requeriments to be a supplier.
one of the requeriments is that we have to have a certified QS9k company.

they ask us this requeriment in verbal form.

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posted 29 December 1999 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Elberth:

Did they mention a requirement for ISO14001 compliance or registration?

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Elberth Ardila Tabera
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Nope
but they have and important internal "campaign" to complaince it

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posted 31 December 1999 12:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not any experience with the OEM's but I have demands from Tier 1 to be ISO 14001 registered.
I have been told by a company in England that I cannot be A status without ISO 14001.
A company in Portugal reduces my supplier evaluation because of lack of ISO 14001. A non automotive customer, electronics telecomunications in Israel has demanded at least adhetrence to their enviromental policy.
We will all not be able to ignore this for too long.

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posted 02 January 2000 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dewie   Click Here to Email dewie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've heard that Japnaene companies need their suoolier to compliance with ISO14000. The business with no registered supplier will be terminated someday in Y2000, especially SONY Group.
I'm not so wondered that EU country requires ISO14000, we'd better awared of BS8800.

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posted 04 January 2000 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Roger Eastin   Click Here to Email Roger Eastin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No doubt that the ISO14001 train is rolling and you'd better hop on the train or get off the tracks (wow, where did that come from?)! By the way, Dewie, what is BS8800?

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posted 04 January 2000 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Mullins   Click Here to Email David Mullins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dewie has finally put the last peice of the puzzle together. BS8800 is of course the safety standard in Britain, which was used, amongst numerous other standards, to create OHSAS 18000.
Please let me point out something soooo obvious that you've all missed it. 9K + 14K + 18K = 41K, and as we all know 41 is the answer to life, the universe and everything.
What's that I here you say, it's 42, not according to the ISO 41K Standard!

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David you have reason, I«m very impacient of release of 41 or 42K

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posted 21 January 2000 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pmaizitis   Click Here to Email pmaizitis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had read somewhere that Chrysler was also requiring ISO 14000 registration. I will have to check my sources.

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posted 05 March 2000 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone heard any more on this issue?

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Ford and GM have set dates for compliance for teir 1& 2 suppliers....think its 2001, 2002...or maybe 2002, 2003....I have forgotten.....but the suppliers seem to be ignoring it, hoping it will go away (at least in my area)...Its alive and "out there" no question it will happen, registrars are talking it up...but there is so little real experience in this country....that companies seem to have their heads in the sand..so much controversy and resistance......

People seem to forget it is the one standard that actually pays for itself. Problem is, consultants tend to not know how to do it. Implementing 14k is backward to 9k, to do it properly.....Identification/recognition/measures of the current status are key...and so often overlooked. Having seen the UK approach, and comparing it to the US was an eye-opener for me...they are light years ahead of us.

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Originally posted by barb butrym:

Ford and GM have set dates for compliance for teir 1& 2 suppliers


Is this written anywhere or hearsay?

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Whoa, Barb, did you mean Tier 2 as well as Tier 1? I'm with Marc, here. Is it written anywhere, especially about the Tier 2 (that's me!)about compliance? I think someone here may have posted or, at least, told us where the compliance letter (for Ford and GM) was available.

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A conversation with my registrar 'subject matter expert' at a dinner meeting was my source. He tells me it has been mandated....although I did not see the letter myself. The discussion was about consultancy projects and he was to provide a colleague of mine with the details/documents .......(as he is doing 14k projects) and he (my colleague) could use these to pitch sales....the 'expert' was surprised the consultant was not totally ovrwhelmed with work by now.

So there you have it..... psuedo hearsay. I totally trust the guy, and take what he says as true.....he hasn't steered me wrong yet. AND he is 'IN' at Ford. My colleague is at Ford this week ...... and when he gets back I will check that out in more detail.....

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posted 27 June 2000 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pmaizitis   Click Here to Email pmaizitis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi .... I'm back .....
Still nothing from Chrysler but firm commitments from Ford and GM. If you are a member of ASQ I would suggest getting on subscription for their Automotive Excellence publication although the last issue was disappointing as it did not touch on what I would perceive to be on everyone's minds .... ISO/TS 16949 and ISO 14001. The Winter Edition published the following:
Ford: "Ford will require all production and non-production suppliers with manufacturing facilities to certify a minimum of one manufacturing site to ISO 14001 standard by December 31, 2001. Ford will require supplier manufacturing sites to be certified to ISO 14001 standard by July 1, 2003.ä
GM: ãBy the end of 2002, GM will require its suppliers to certify the implementation of environmental systems (EMS) in their operations, in conformance with ISO 14001. It is our intent that all suppliers to General Motors implement an environmental management system by December 31, 2002.ä
Unfortunately, none of my GM supplier clients has been officially notified by GM on this requirement.
Has anyone seen an official communiquŽ through NAO Worldwide Purchasing or elsewhere?

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posted 27 June 2000 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you look at this months "Business Standards" magazine from BSI, you will find an article about Ford, GM and ISO 14000.

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posted 20 July 2000 03:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also see:
https://elsmar.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000032.html

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posted 28 July 2000 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Truchon   Click Here to Email Steven Truchon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At at recent Environmental lunch seminar put on by Motorola here in So. Florida, they [Motorola] stated that Ford was definitely requiring ISO 14001 but how deep in tiers they intended was not clear.
What was interesting though is that Motorola has generated an internal standard that addresses all of the ISO 9000 and all of the applicable federal OSHA requirements and they claim that it clearly satifies the requirements of ISO 14001.
I am currently trying to get a copy to review and will forward one to anyone desiring once I get it.

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posted 03 January 2001 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheryl   Click Here to Email Cheryl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a letter from DaimlerChrysler dated Oct. 5/00 it reads:

Effective January 1, 2003, DaimlerChrysler will require its suppliers to be third party registered to an environmental management system based on ISO 14001.

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ISO 14001 just became a liitle easier. A new website has been launched to provide a 21st Century approach to ISO 14001
www.iso14001-in-21.com

The site has downloadable ISO 14001 templates, software and other resources.

regards,

Gary Holland.

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