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Al
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posted 24 January 2000 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al   Click Here to Email Al     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A recent external auditor defined "development" and the wording of 4.6.2.1 so literally that even a subcontractor's QS-9000 registration wouldn't mean that we could stop with their development (ie: continuous improvement). We currently tier our suppliers regarding development activities, do surveys and annual performance apprasials/awards. How much is enough? Certainly you can't force a large supply base into compliance when some of the big ones don't care about automotive or our business.

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Marc Smith
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posted 25 January 2000 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've seen a range of supplier development from a survey every year to the extremem of haviong someone at a supplier's facility every day. In my opinion, what you are doing is sufficient.

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Spaceman Spiff
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posted 25 January 2000 08:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Marc. As a matter of fact, when was the last time any of the Big 3 conducted "Supplier Development" activities at your facility besides dictating the QS-9000 certification requirement (excluding Q1 Suspension or Level 2 Containment, of course)? Besides, having the Big 3 live inside your facility every day because of problems hardly constitute it as "supplier development."

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In responce to what Mark has seen used to comply with subcontractor development,
I would like to know how sending a self survey can be considered Subcontractor Development. Having had to fill these assessments out and reviewing a large quanity of them, I have been hard pressed to find any value in them.

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posted 30 January 2000 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have spoken to a lot of my customers as to help with development of our systems. Some have said " you know as much as me"
Others give lectures on APQP from a timetable point of view and others try to be more helpfull.
We had a Picos workshop with Delphi a few years ago which was based on reducing set up time and this was helpful. I have suggested to customers that they organise supplier conferences but to no avail.
The smaller that you are IMHO the more the auditors check you.

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posted 30 January 2000 06:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Howard Atkins   Click Here to Email Howard Atkins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have spoken to a lot of my customers as to help with development of our systems. Some have said " you know as much as me"
Others give lectures on APQP from a timetable point of view and others try to be more helpfull.
We had a Picos workshop with Delphi a few years ago which was based on reducing set up time and this was helpful. I have suggested to customers that they organise supplier conferences but to no avail.
The smaller that you are IMHO the more the auditors check you.

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