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Luc Schepers
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posted 27 March 2000 05:59 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are a rather small company (± 40 employees) conduction conversion activities for FORD. We are not a mainstream supplier. We are currently ISO9001 certified sinde december 1993 but we want to be QS 9000 by the end of this year. We have a discussion with our registar about the number of mandays for upgrade to QS 9000. They say it have to be 5 mandays, but to my opinion this is to much since we are already ISO9001. Can someone help me with this?

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Laura M
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posted 27 March 2000 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laura M   Click Here to Email Laura M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Appendix H of QS9000 states for a 40 person company 5 auditor days for initial audit. Note #4 specifies that the table does not address "upgrades from ISO-9001 to QS9000."

I would suggest further conversation. Ask what they are basing the 5-days on. If its the table, point out note number 4. Should open the door for negotiation at least.

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Christian Lupo
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posted 27 March 2000 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christian Lupo   Click Here to Email Christian Lupo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Laura is right, if your ISO audits have gone well the registrar can justify using less than the required number of days. I would definatly discuss this with your registrar.

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Luc
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posted 03 April 2000 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Luc   Click Here to Email Luc     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it so that there is a difference in audit mandays if you are ISO 9001 before or after 1996? Our registar says the reason why we need 5 mandays is that we are certified before 1996.

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Christian Lupo
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posted 06 April 2000 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Christian Lupo   Click Here to Email Christian Lupo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
that dosent sound right, maybe its an "internal" policy of your registrar.

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ALM
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posted 18 April 2000 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ALM   Click Here to Email ALM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Luc:
Is it so that there is a difference in audit mandays if you are ISO 9001 before or after 1996? Our registar says the reason why we need 5 mandays is that we are certified before 1996.

I cannot specifically say it is an accommodation of the Standards, however, BSI (my registrar) will knock a 1.5 days off (100+ personnel) if the auditors who originally certified you to ISO9001 where qualified at the time of that audit to do QS9000 audits. What bearing that has on today, I have no clue, but it is something to evaluate.

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