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From:St George, Ontario, canada
Registered: Apr 2000

posted 06 April 2001 10:01 AM               

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What is the proper terminology?

QS 9000/ISO 9001 Registered or Certified?

I think Registered is correct, just wantto know what the experts say.

thanks tim

"...if it moves, train it...if it doesn't move, calibrate it...if it isn't written down, it never happened!"

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From:Lapeer, MI USA
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posted 06 April 2001 12:47 PM               

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Registered

ASD...

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posted 06 April 2001 03:57 PM              

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We was told by our registrar that the correct terminology was registered.

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posted 06 April 2001 05:40 PM               

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This is a very old debate. I used to argue that 'registered' was the correct term. That term was used by the British, mostly. But - most registrars will say they 'certify' companies. I gave up arguing about which is correct.

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From:Lapeer, MI USA
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posted 06 April 2001 05:51 PM               

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I agree that this is a very old debate, that's why I take the easy way out and look at the first paragraph under the section II customer requirements where they use the word register. (QS-9000 3rd Edition)

It's all just semantics in my opinion.

ASD...

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From:St George, Ontario, canada
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posted 09 April 2001 08:31 AM               

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Thank you all for your help, I need to put togethor stuff for our party. We are all getting jackets "QS 9000 / ISO 9001 Registered" on the arm.

Also putting up a banner, actually 2, we have a warehouse across town also.

thanks again
tim

"if it moves, train it...if it doesn't move, calibrate it...if it isn't written down, it never happened!"

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From:Fort Lauderdale, FL USA
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posted 09 April 2001 01:50 PM               

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Our "Certificate", "certifies", and lists a "certification date", so according to our registrar, we are certifiable (hey, aren't we all?).

However, when I attended my lead auditor training from a different company, we were taught specifically to use the term "registered".

Im so confused! But then again, I am registered as certifiable.

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From:Lapeer, MI USA
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posted 09 April 2001 05:40 PM               

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I like a certain level of confusion. It keeps food on my table so I don't have to get a real job! :-)

ASD...

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From:alabang, philippines
Registered: Mar 2001

posted 10 April 2001 05:17 AM               

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either "registered" or "certified" is correct. what matters here is how you will use them. it is not proper to say that a company is "iso9000/qs9000 certified". neither ISO nor QS certifies a company. it is the certification body who certified companies. therefore saying (for example) "BVQI Certified to ISO9000/QS9000" is more appropriate.

for a related discussion, you can visit this site ---> http://www.iso.ch/9000e/dontexis.htm

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From:Neuch‰tel, Switzerland
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 10 April 2001 10:57 AM               

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Some of these discussions do make me chuckle!

Here's my twopenniesworth;

If you are registered you must be on a register. If you are certfied you must have a certificate. So, in my humble opinion you are certified by and registered with the certification body.

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From:schoonhoven netherlands
Registered: May 2000

posted 11 April 2001 04:44 PM               

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Well allen that does sound good. that's how I would interpreted it.

But just a question how much time (translate money) of everyone who contributes has gone into this one word. And has anyone ever heard of getting the usage of this word cause a negative audit outcome? So what are we talking about? What's the use of chewing on the definition of this word? I'd be interrested.

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From:W Chester OH USA
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posted 12 April 2001 12:41 PM               

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When we were done with Iso Guide 25 (you QS9000 people should recognize this), the correct terminology (according to A2LA) was:

Accredited.

Just to throw another log on the fire...

Jerry

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From:alabang, philippines
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posted 16 April 2001 08:38 PM               

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To get to the original topic, you can just say: "QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM CERTIFIED TO ISO9000:1994/QS9000:1998".

[This message has been edited by romelnar (edited 18 April 2001).]

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From:alabang, philippines
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posted 18 April 2001 10:43 PM               

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well, since the QSR QS9000 3rd ed. uses "registration" throughout the standard (e.g. "Applicability" used "registration"), i can say it would be more appropriate to use "registered". hence you can say: "QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REGISTERED TO ISO9000:1994/QS9000:1998".

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From:Neuch‰tel, Switzerland
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posted 23 April 2001 12:37 PM               

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Well it's all semantics on how we like to interpret the words depending on where we were raised and learnt English in the world. Especially now that thanks to Bill Gates we have 13 different English languages in MS Word. As for the continuing change of languages I guess most of us on these forums are engineers or are from an engineering background, if you where an engineer 150 years ago you would be driving a train! Nowadays in order not to insult the partner who stays at home (housewife or househusband) it seems it is politically correct to call them Domestic Engineers, it would be interesting to see their training records!!!!!

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Alan Greatbatch

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posted 25 April 2001 11:00 PM               

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My belief is that both registered and certified are fine - just keep away from the term "accredited" !!!

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From:Indpls, In. USA
Registered: Nov 2000

posted 08 May 2001 05:28 PM               

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The official banner sold by the AIAG says

WE ARE QS9000 CERTIFIED

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posted 16 May 2001 05:26 AM              

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I agree with ISO position, which is clarified in ISO guideline www.iso.ch/9000e/pub9k14ke.pdf
It's of no importance.

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