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tim banic
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posted 06 April 2001 10:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tim banic   Click Here to Email tim banic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What is the proper terminology?

QS 9000/ISO 9001 Registered or Certified?

I think Registered is correct, just wantto know what the experts say.

thanks tim

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Al Dyer
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posted 06 April 2001 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Registered

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Big Red
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posted 06 April 2001 03:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We was told by our registrar that the correct terminology was registered.

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Marc Smith
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posted 06 April 2001 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a very old debate. I used to argue that 'registered' was the correct term. That term was used by the British, mostly. But - most registrars will say they 'certify' companies. I gave up arguing about which is correct.

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Al Dyer
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posted 06 April 2001 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree that this is a very old debate, that's why I take the easy way out and look at the first paragraph under the section II customer requirements where they use the word register. (QS-9000 3rd Edition)

It's all just semantics in my opinion.

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tim banic
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posted 09 April 2001 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tim banic   Click Here to Email tim banic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you all for your help, I need to put togethor stuff for our party. We are all getting jackets "QS 9000 / ISO 9001 Registered" on the arm.

Also putting up a banner, actually 2, we have a warehouse across town also.

thanks again
tim

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Steven Truchon
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posted 09 April 2001 01:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Steven Truchon   Click Here to Email Steven Truchon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our "Certificate", "certifies", and lists a "certification date", so according to our registrar, we are certifiable (hey, aren't we all?).

However, when I attended my lead auditor training from a different company, we were taught specifically to use the term "registered".

Im so confused! But then again, I am registered as certifiable.

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Al Dyer
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posted 09 April 2001 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like a certain level of confusion. It keeps food on my table so I don't have to get a real job! :-)

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romelnar
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posted 10 April 2001 05:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for romelnar   Click Here to Email romelnar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
either "registered" or "certified" is correct. what matters here is how you will use them. it is not proper to say that a company is "iso9000/qs9000 certified". neither ISO nor QS certifies a company. it is the certification body who certified companies. therefore saying (for example) "BVQI Certified to ISO9000/QS9000" is more appropriate.

for a related discussion, you can visit this site ---> http://www.iso.ch/9000e/dontexis.htm

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Alan Greatbatch
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posted 10 April 2001 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alan Greatbatch   Click Here to Email Alan Greatbatch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some of these discussions do make me chuckle!

Here's my twopenniesworth;

If you are registered you must be on a register. If you are certfied you must have a certificate. So, in my humble opinion you are certified by and registered with the certification body.

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Martijn TVM
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posted 11 April 2001 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Martijn TVM   Click Here to Email Martijn TVM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well allen that does sound good. that's how I would interpreted it.

But just a question how much time (translate money) of everyone who contributes has gone into this one word. And has anyone ever heard of getting the usage of this word cause a negative audit outcome? So what are we talking about? What's the use of chewing on the definition of this word? I'd be interrested.

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JerryStem
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posted 12 April 2001 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for JerryStem   Click Here to Email JerryStem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When we were done with Iso Guide 25 (you QS9000 people should recognize this), the correct terminology (according to A2LA) was:

Accredited.

Just to throw another log on the fire...

Jerry

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romelnar
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posted 16 April 2001 08:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for romelnar   Click Here to Email romelnar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To get to the original topic, you can just say: "QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM CERTIFIED TO ISO9000:1994/QS9000:1998".

[This message has been edited by romelnar (edited 18 April 2001).]

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romelnar
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posted 18 April 2001 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for romelnar   Click Here to Email romelnar     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, since the QSR QS9000 3rd ed. uses "registration" throughout the standard (e.g. "Applicability" used "registration"), i can say it would be more appropriate to use "registered". hence you can say: "QUALITY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM REGISTERED TO ISO9000:1994/QS9000:1998".

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Alan Greatbatch
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posted 23 April 2001 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alan Greatbatch   Click Here to Email Alan Greatbatch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well it's all semantics on how we like to interpret the words depending on where we were raised and learnt English in the world. Especially now that thanks to Bill Gates we have 13 different English languages in MS Word. As for the continuing change of languages I guess most of us on these forums are engineers or are from an engineering background, if you where an engineer 150 years ago you would be driving a train! Nowadays in order not to insult the partner who stays at home (housewife or househusband) it seems it is politically correct to call them Domestic Engineers, it would be interesting to see their training records!!!!!

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Carl Redman
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posted 25 April 2001 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Carl Redman   Click Here to Email Carl Redman     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My belief is that both registered and certified are fine - just keep away from the term "accredited" !!!

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vshields
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posted 08 May 2001 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vshields   Click Here to Email vshields     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The official banner sold by the AIAG says

WE ARE QS9000 CERTIFIED

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ikar
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posted 16 May 2001 05:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with ISO position, which is clarified in ISO guideline www.iso.ch/9000e/pub9k14ke.pdf
It's of no importance.

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