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AllenLee
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posted 09 July 2001 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AllenLee   Click Here to Email AllenLee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As you know, in QS9000 3rd edition interpretations, it requires "subcontractors to achieve compliance within a defined period of time not to exceed 18 months ...".

My question is: what is the meaning of "subcontractor"? for directly raw material supplier only ? who can give me a category?

Thanks in advance!

Allen

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subcontractor for raw material supplier :
is a :
raw material manufacturer
raw material processor

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Al Dyer
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posted 09 July 2001 11:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Source please?

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AllenLee
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posted 09 July 2001 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AllenLee   Click Here to Email AllenLee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks!
By definition (page 133 of the Standard, definition of SubContractor) a subcontractor is "defined as providers of production materials, or production or service parts, directly to a supplier to Chrysler, Ford, General Motors or other customers subscribing to this document."
And we have direct raw material subcontractors just like Lead frame, gold wire, epoxy, compound..., sub material subcontractors: wafer mount tape, alcohol,packing box..., also have the tooling subcontractor as die saw blade, wire bond capilliary, trim/form die ...

All of them need get the minimum ISO9000 certificate?

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posted 13 July 2001 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mooser   Click Here to Email mooser     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This could also mean any component as well as raw material.
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Al Dyer
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posted 13 July 2001 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Dyer   Click Here to Email Al Dyer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The key words are "production materials" and "production parts.

Raw material supplier = yes
Tooling supplier = yes
Gage suppliers = yes
Packaging suppliers = yes
Staples = no
Local harware store = no

I guess a hazy idea is how do you differentiate a sub-contactor that has direct affect on the product and a sub-contractor that does not.

Just as an example:

Marc has posted a few comments that says he requires that he be on the approved supplier/sub-contractor list.

Does this mean he has to be ISO certified by whatever date has been given?

I really don't think so, since Marc has no direct applications to the end product.

Sorry Marc, your view ha been posted by others but you are the only one I can remember as a refference point.

I guess in the end my belief is that QS is now close to defunct and that the new TS will be the wave of the future.

Sorry for pontificating (almost)!

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posted 16 July 2001 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AllenLee   Click Here to Email AllenLee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks very much Al Dyler!

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posted 16 July 2001 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for db   Click Here to Email db     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here is my take. The "rub" will be how the individual auditor interprets "subcontractor". I have seen some that require any vendor that can impact the QMS to fit the definition. In that case, just about everyone you purchase from will have to become registered (including you, Marc). Hmmmmm, What does 16949 say about this?

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posted 16 July 2001 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-> including you, Marc

Naw. They'll GrandFather me - because I am one!

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posted 17 July 2001 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for D.Scott   Click Here to Email D.Scott     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
QS-9000 defines subcontractors as providers of production materials or production or service parts as well as heat treat etc. The "directly to" statement includes anyone else who subscribes to QS-9000 which is how the chain stretches so deep.
We are preparing for our full production supply base to be included. I see no way to intrepet "any vendor that can impact the QMS" and would certainly challenge an auditor who wanted to go there, so at least you are safe fo a while here Marc.

Dave

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