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louie
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posted 21 June 2000 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We are building a training room for one of our suppliers complete with mock systems with mock parts. This area is for training only. There will be no scheduled uptime, available R&M, etc.

Do we need to cover all the TE requirements on this? Or is it as simple as writing another procedure to cover such instances?

Have a line up meeting next week -- responses please !!!!!!

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Marc Smith
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posted 24 June 2000 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You determine the details of your training requirements, not the auditor. You may be asked to explain why you train to the detail level you train to and what you exclude and why, however.

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posted 26 June 2000 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for louie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc
I think you misunderstood my dilemma...
We are a Tier 1 supplier, building a training room for our customer's new plant. Since there will be no "production" on this line, do I treat this as a pure prototype type build for documentation issues or do I have to complete all FMEA's CP's, etc. (My guys are trying to say they don't need to do the FMEA's, CP's etc., and I would like to see this treated like all "regular" projects) - What do I HAVE to do regarding R&M, LCC, statistical data???
have line-up meeting 6/26

Thanks !!!

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posted 27 June 2000 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah! I hadn't thought of a supplier of training rooms as a T&E supplier. I can't help you here - maybe Laura or one of the others has some insight.

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Laura M
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posted 28 June 2000 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laura M   Click Here to Email Laura M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure I can help. This is certainly unique.
The first question that comes to mind is what did the customer specify as requirements and how are you proving you meet them? I don't think all the T&E stuff would apply if it is not ultimately producing product.

Now that I think of it....would it be appropriate for the Training facility to actually produce some defective product to see if the process controls worked and "detections" on the FMEA were accurate?

Just thinking out loud....

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posted 28 June 2000 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Do we need to cover all the TE requirements on this? Or is it as simple as writing another procedure to cover such instances?
I would think these are requirements that should have been specified during the quotation phase, no?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.

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