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Suzanne Artzberger
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posted 30 April 2001 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Suzanne Artzberger   Click Here to Email Suzanne Artzberger     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My company is a QS/TE registered supplier of metal cutting equipment and test equipment to OEM's, Tier One and Tier Two suppliers. We take contracts for designing and building machines (sell price usually $150K-$8M), modifying existing machines (sell price $15K to $4M), contract machining ($10-$5K), and spare parts ($100-$10K).
The consultant that we used to help us with our QS/TE registration suggested that we could limit where we use APQP. Therefore, we have an AQP procedure that says 'Advanced product quality planning is required for sales orders with sell prices greater than $100,000...' Obviously we are trying to limit the scope of 4.2.3.1 to something that is reasonable for our business. My question is - does this type of statement limit the scope of 4.2.3.2 through 4.2.3.7 as well? For example, I have a situation where we are quoting a $20K order for a machine refurbish (no engineering or qualification). Do we need a feasibility review? A control plan? A FMEA? These things are technically not listed under subelement of 4.2.3.1 but under other subelements. This is technically a 'machine project' but adding that level of complexity makes our pricing uncompetitive. I would like to tighten up our procedures to be clearer about this issue. I am currently hearing alot of comments like 'oh, it doesn't matter because the price is under $100K...' and I'm concerned we're using this as the ultimate get out of jail free card but are not doing everything we are required to do. I also have another example where we received a purchase order of about $20K to modify an existing machine drive mechanism. Obviously this includes engineering but the same questions as above apply - how much do we really have to do to satisfy QS/TE or can we except our way out of these situations? Would a broader statement like 'Quality Planning is required for sales order with sell prices greater than $100,000...' This implies limiting the scope of everything under 4.2.3. or do I have to address every situation separately?

Thanks very much for your feedback!

Suzanne Artzberger

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Marc Smith
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posted 01 May 2001 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's say you have a building with 2 distinct product lines. One is automotive and 1 is 'commercial'. You can limit the scope of registration to the automotive line.

If you want to produce non-automotive on the automotive line, you can do that. But - whether a project is $1 or $10M - if it's for automotive you cannot shortcut APQP.

I cannot say about the rebuild situation. Hopefully a T&E 'specialist' will help out here.

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Laura M
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posted 01 May 2001 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Laura M   Click Here to Email Laura M     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would refer to the R&M Guideline in addition to APQP. If you look at the phases of equipment; "conversion" (ie refurbishment) is in Phase 1 as part of the Life Cycle Cost. I'm not sure how a dollar amount can be used to determine APQP - its automotive or not. Customer requirements such as "no machine qualification" should be determine with the customer at contract review.

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