The Elsmar Cove Business Standards Discussion Forums More Free Files Forum Discussion Thread Post Attachments Listing Elsmar Cove Discussion Forums Main Page
Welcome to what was The Original Cayman Cove Forums!
This thread is carried over and continued in the Current Elsmar Cove Forums

Search the Elsmar Cove!

Wooden Line
This is a "Frozen" Legacy Forum.
Most links on this page do NOT work.
Discussions since 2001 are HERE

Owl Line
The New Elsmar Cove Forums   The New Elsmar Cove Forums
  FMEA and Control Plans
  Special Characteristics

Post New Topic  Post A Reply
profile | register | preferences | faq | search

UBBFriend: Email This Page to Someone! next newest topic | next oldest topic
Author Topic:   Special Characteristics
ovidiomolina
Forum Contributor

Posts: 11
From:Monterrey, Nuevo Le—n, Mˇxico
Registered:

posted 28 July 1998 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ovidiomolina   Click Here to Email ovidiomolina     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Need some advice !

We are a tier-2 supplier. We supply steel in coils or sheets in many grades and dimensions.

Steel is considered as a raw material, but our customers are still asking us for ppap's.

The problem pops up with special characteristics (I recognise these as kpc, Am I wright ?). Our customers have defined none but as the norm says "the supplier has to identify key process or product atributes" we have identified the mechanical properties in our APQP formats but not in the Control Plan nor in the FMEA's formats. Of course we can trace these product characteristics into process variables which are documented in our Control Plans. If we identify them with a special symbol (own symbol) are we satisfying QS 9000 requierements ? If so, what are the compromises of doing this ?

Thans for your hints.
OMC

IP: Logged

Marc Smith
Cheech Wizard

Posts: 4119
From:West Chester, OH, USA
Registered:

posted 05 August 1998 07:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As I read the spec you define what you believe is critical. If you go through your FMEA and then your control plan and you define a material characteristic as critical, you have to have some type of check identified (in the control plan). If you see something as 'important' (as opposed to critical) and it is something which can be checked 'downstream' , and you don't put it on the control plan, I think you're home free.

Bottom line is you are looking for a way to address raw material mechanical properties, right? I typically see this addressed in control plans as receiving and the verification/control in the control plan is material certifications with heat test results, etc. to accompany shipment. This is to say, the supplier does the checks (as they should - they have the equipment to do it) and provides you with proof (test results).

Have I confused the issue or does this make sense?

IP: Logged

All times are Eastern Standard Time (USA)

next newest topic | next oldest topic

Administrative Options: Close Topic | Archive/Move | Delete Topic
Post New Topic  Post A Reply Hop to:

Contact Us | The Elsmar Cove Home Page

Your Input Into These Forums Is Appreciated! Thanks!


Main Site Search
Y'All Come Back Now, Ya Hear?
Powered by FreeBSD!Made With A Mac!Powered by Apache!