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Dr P R MADHAVAN
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From:CHENNAI, INDIA
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posted 23 October 1998 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dr P R MADHAVAN   Click Here to Email Dr P R MADHAVAN     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One ofmy clients is a sole proprietor company where the owner is the only qualified person.
When the internal auditing has to be conducted as per the requirements of ISO9002, can he himself perform thesame or can he hire external help?

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Leslie Garon
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posted 23 October 1998 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leslie Garon   Click Here to Email Leslie Garon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the owner is directly responsible for the area being audited, i.e. he/she is the supervising authority or performs the function himself/herslef, he may not be the auditor.

The standard reads ".... shall be carried out by personnel independent of those having direct responsibility for the activity being audited".

In short, the auditor may not be directly responsibly for the area or task being audited.

I would recommend an outside auditor conduct the internal audits or that the owner train others in his/her organization to be internal auditors.

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barb butrym
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posted 23 October 1998 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
An external auditor is the way to go.....you can consider a trade off with another real small company....do each others..or hire an auditor. may I suggest calling the local ASQ to see if there is an auditor pool of trainees looking for audits to get or maintain 'registered status'..2 can do it, and one can get those Lead Auditor points...so difficult to earn. IRCA will allow these as legal audits...and do not require as many witnessed. Or they can always pay for the service.

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Don Winton
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posted 24 October 1998 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Don Winton   Click Here to Email Don Winton     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Go with barb on this one. Internal audits MUST be conducted by parties independent of the area being assessed. Some local ASQ chapters do maintain assesssor "pools" to assist companies in this problem.

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Don

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Marc Smith
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posted 24 October 1998 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me! Me! Me! I'm ready to fly over and do your audits!

You are in India?

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barb butrym
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posted 28 October 1998 06:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Marc...we really do need to talk......got to get you in touch with my UK friend with the lead auditor courses....he has some to do in India, as well as many other neat places. when will you be in upstate NY again? or Boston?

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