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Kevin Mader
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posted 12 July 1999 03:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Mader   Click Here to Email Kevin Mader     Edit/Delete Message
Andy,

Welcome to the mix! As a suggestion, I would recommend that you read a book on auditing if this is all new to you. I think you will find that the auditing technique is a great way to learn about the organization and quality standards. The book I would recommend is The Quality Audit, by Mills.

Regards,

Kevin

barb butrym
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posted 12 July 1999 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message
OH KEVIN....I disagree on the book to read. I think Mills is too deep for the novice, tough to get into....I prefer Sayles. He is easier to follow. And Arter....

spenceat
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posted 12 July 1999 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for spenceat   Click Here to Email spenceat     Edit/Delete Message
I have referenced several books and agree with Barb, Sayle seems to be the best read.
i.e. management Audits.

I am already Lead Auditor trained and due to attend the course to become TickIT auditor trained, any advice on this course?

Andy

Kevin Mader
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posted 12 July 1999 11:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Mader   Click Here to Email Kevin Mader     Edit/Delete Message
Barb,

I had a feeling that you would recommend Arter. I must admit that I haven't read Sayles or Arter, however I do recall you mentioning that Arter had a hand in creating the ASQs CQA exam. As such, I can't draw a good comparison. Although I did not find Mills to difficult a read, the topic can be somewhat dry. Perhaps I have been reading technical books waaaaaaay to long and my senses have been dulled.

Andy,

Barb is a good source for Auditor Training questions, so I'll leave your question to her.

Regards to both,

Kevin

barb butrym
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posted 13 July 1999 06:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message
What course are you taking, and who with?

If its a lead auditor with TickIT focus, it won't be much more than the QSLA was except instead of the standard, it adds TickIT details as well to that portion. So maybe 2 days with some new material mixed in, the rest is the same.

TickIT isn't my expertise......so I have no tips for you, except don't add more into it than is really there....As with everything else, you need facts for a finding....don't be lead down the path...

Kevin...Sayles is really a better read..not that when it gets down to it they say anything different...its just the way they put it across. Haven't read Arter's new release, so I can only go by his first one...which was simple black and white.

Mills is Ok for you serious guys......LOL

BArb

Kevin Mader
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posted 13 July 1999 07:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Mader   Click Here to Email Kevin Mader     Edit/Delete Message
hahaha!!!!! Hopefully not too serious! I like to think I have a good sense of humor.

I read the Wortman study guide as well. I found that tho be a pretty in depth overview but it lacked the detail I was looking for. I selected Mills at random. I guess I could have done worse (or maybe not?).

Back to the group...

Kevin

barb butrym
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posted 13 July 1999 10:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message
I had to use Mills for a college auditing course text once...cause Sayles 2nd edition was out of print, and the 3rd wasn't readily available from Quality Press and we ran out of time......what a nightmare.... the information was Ok....and if you are fresh, I suppose the read isn't bad...but the class...like me..had already put in a days work....I had to come up with massive handouts to cover the material cause they just didn't get it from him..in the end we threw the book aside and went with my handouts...tough lesson to learn. So thats why I steer clear of "encyclopedia" type reading... I am a hands on, case study....do it to learn it, get right to the point ...kind of instructor. Roll up my sleeves and get into the mud, if you will. I used Mills for the CQA years ago, and as a look up reference it was fine...but not a straight read....for me.

So you are not a serious type, Kevin? Ha ha.. I bet you have a very serious side when you want to. I guess we all do.....when we hit the tight buttons.

Andy, we aren't helping you here with our book reviews.....what do you need?

barb

Kevin Mader
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posted 14 July 1999 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kevin Mader   Click Here to Email Kevin Mader     Edit/Delete Message
Barb,

I had to pick the clown face icon as it is more fitting to my informal side (which I try to be in most of the time). You're right on the buttons. I notice that sometimes when I need to turn on the "serious" side, some folks are suprised to see it in me (especially if they have never met me before).

Yes, we are doing the book review thing here. Interesting point that you bring up. As it would be, at the time of my reading Mill's text, I was taking a primer course for the CQA, which was filled with handouts and debate (both of which complimented the reading I think). Perhaps the fact that these events occurred at the same time made the reading easier (?). As I read it from time to time, I don't find the verbiage difficult. Then again, my brain may be fried and I would find cutting the lawn with a pair of hand shears entertaining (LOL).

Regards,

Kevin

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