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B. Maynard
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posted 14 February 2001 11:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for B. Maynard   Click Here to Email B. Maynard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to locate some tests to give our trained Internal Auditors.

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ISO GUY
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posted 14 February 2001 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ISO GUY   Click Here to Email ISO GUY     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who trained your internal auditors, was it done by you, an outside source?

If they were trained in house, I would just make up a test from the material you used in training them.

If they were trained by an outside source, I would assume they were tested by them, and you could always ask the trainer for a sample test.

I wouldn't just train them (class room type), test them and say ok you can do internal audits now. I would also have them do audits along side you until they can demonstrate proficiency.

Who is doing your internal audits now?

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Dan Larsen
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posted 14 February 2001 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dan Larsen   Click Here to Email Dan Larsen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Personally, I don't know if a structured test is good idea. It can be hard enough getting internal auditors (see the thread at )http://https://elsmar.com/ubb/Forum13/HTML/000132.html Adding a test requirement may scare some away.

I do think that performing a practice audit is probably the best test. Place them with a trained auditor for a practice audit and let the trained auditor critique and coach.

If you really want to test them, I think the best test would be to set up some audit scenarios and see how they find compliance or non-compliance. I use this technique during training...not really as a structured "test", but as a vehicle to open up some discussion during the training.

If your interested, let me know...I have these "discussion points" set up as Powerpoint slides and I could e-mail them.

[This message has been edited by Dan Larsen (edited 14 February 2001).]

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David Mullins
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posted 14 February 2001 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Mullins   Click Here to Email David Mullins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I train my own internal auditors and use a test, and issue a registered certificate. This provides ample proof of competency for snooping external auditors, and gives the internal auditors something to include in their resume/CV package.

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Doug Stimson
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posted 15 February 2001 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Doug Stimson   Click Here to Email Doug Stimson     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We do a "test", pre/post test, titled Name That Clause where we site a particular nonconfoamance, then have the participants identify what the ISO clause or sub clause is and why.

We also have a "script of dialog" between an of an audit process where the participants pick out not only the nonconforming situations but also particular auditor traits.ewtc.

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barb butrym
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posted 17 February 2001 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we do role play and critique the auditor...I take the role of auditee and have fun with it, and control the play based on my "lesson" du jour.... Also do a real time audit together...no better test than the practical experience.

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barb butrym
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posted 17 February 2001 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for barb butrym   Click Here to Email barb butrym     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
we do role play and critique the auditor...I take the role of auditee and have fun with it, and control the play based on my "lesson" du jour.... Also do a real time audit together...no better test than the practical experience.

Also have a crossword/word find puzzle program that I sometimes use...have also heard of a jeopardy game.........

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