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Marc Smith
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posted 31 May 2000 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alan:

Just so that you understand part of my dismay with your posts here is that, like other forums you visit, you have a very specific personal agenda to push.

These forums are for people to ask questions and to answer questions. When one reaches a certain point the message becomes a sermon. Your sermons are always: "...Beware of risk..." (which everyone is anyway) and "...beware of management..." which I think is more of a vendetta than anything else. You talk about risk at every chance to the point that between you and my mother telling me to wear a hat in winter, I say enough! I understand your concern. Now - let's get on with other things.

You repeat (and repeat and repeat) with vigor your philosophies to a point where you are not addressing the question asked, or you address the question quite obliquely giving the over all impression self-promotion.

Yes - I do get on my high-horse from time to time and speil my philosophies. But - it is 'my ball' so to speak, and I don't believe I continually give the same speil in response to questions asked.

Less philosophy - more specific answers to questions.Question: "How do I ....?" Answer: "At our company we address this by ...."

I might suggest you start a forum on the internet which is specific to topics such as your favourites: Risk and the Problems of Management.

By the way, when you say:

> For many years I have been aware that industrial incidents occur
> mainly as a result of management system failures, and in particular
> the failure to integrate risk management strategies.

In my experience I have seen most industrial accidents are caused by employees not following procedures / systems set up by management to protect the employees, not by a lack of management consideration of risk. Recently locally a fellow lost his life when he did not lock out a press and climbed 'inside'. Another fellow lost a hand when he did not use the wooden stick provided and stuck his hand in to un-jam a machine. I won't say management is never to blame, but I bet 90% are where workers did not follow procedure.

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 31 May 2000).]

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Spaceman Spiff
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posted 31 May 2000 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spaceman Spiff   Click Here to Email Spaceman Spiff     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hear, hear! Thanks, Marc. I too grow tired of his pontification on risk management. Thanks for restating the purpose of this forum.

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isodog
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posted 02 June 2000 12:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for isodog   Click Here to Email isodog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alan,
I understand you have the answer to all life's problems. But the sad truth is nobody in:
The USA
Europe
The pacific rim
Africa
cares what is going on in Austrialia.

You have NO products the world is interested in buying. Nothing to offer to the world market. So let us go on without your sad commentaries.

If you have some innovative products (which I doubt) tell us! Othewise SHUT UP and let us movers and shakers alone.

Dave

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David Mullins
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posted 02 June 2000 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Mullins   Click Here to Email David Mullins     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey,
We've got Uranium, white pointer sharks, made the lenses for the first man on the moon, just enough tuna to keep the Japanese sushi market hungry and a bucket load of companies now owned by Americans (who must have seen some value here), plus a dollar that is so low we can film an epic for the price of an LA commercial (thanks to our country being run by the USA).

Sure we've got alan cottrell and the royal family, nobody is perfect.

Besides, we've got red wine US wine makers would cut off their reproductive organs to emulate.

I think I'll go and rip the cork out of a Grange Hermitage and ponder about your family heritage.

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Marc Smith
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posted 02 June 2000 10:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm closing this thread, folks. I think it has run its course.

I want to state that Australia is part of the world and I in no way mean to imply Australia is less of anything than anywhere else. I do believe different geo-political areas have different needs.

To those of us in the US:

My pappy told me back in the early 1960's that the US was (is) no better than any other country. That was not politically correct to say back then. Most of our parents, not to mention ourselves, still see the US as King of the world. To me that is as stupid as Texans who see Texas as 'the' state. I agree one should feel a bond with their locale and their heritage, however none of us is superior to the exclusion of all others.

My pappy took me to europe for a year in the mid 1960's. I was 15 years old. He showed me a lot of the world back then. He gave me books to read such as Catch 22. He taught me to think and not to blindly follow political and opinionated zealots. I have been to many countries since then. I have not been to the pacific rim or Australia, which maybe I will be able to do before I die. Everywhere I have gone there are good and bad aspects - from Kenya to Spain to Norway.

As far as Alan relates to all this, we all know Alan does not represent Australia. The reason many people are not pleased with Alan's posts is that Alan's posts typically are more of a repetitious sales pitch or sermon - or at least are perceived to be such, and are typically quite similar.

Now - back to the show. New topics and new worlds!

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