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W MacReynolds
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posted 16 May 2000 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for W MacReynolds   Click Here to Email W MacReynolds     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am trying to achieve 9002 compliance for a company that provides telecommunications service at multiple 5 or so man operations throughout the company. Is it possible to provide the audits in such a small business from with in?

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Randy
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posted 16 May 2000 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randy   Click Here to Email Randy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes it is. The standard is set up so even a one person company like mine can apply it. Just maintain records of your internal audits and corrective/preventive actions like a big company does. The application of the standard does not recognize company size as a factor the way I see it.

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Marc Smith
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posted 16 May 2000 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Randy.

By the way, is TL9000 applicable?

[This message has been edited by Marc Smith (edited 19 May 2000).]

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I helped register a 5 person company in Libertyville, Illinois. They had a fabulous internal audit system.
On the last Friday of each month, They would audit two sections over lunch. All five were trained as auditors. As he audits began, four auditors would audit the applicable auditee and then four would audit a different auditee. As you can imagine the size of the company was small, and if documents were needed they were easy to obtain.

The company paid for a variety of lunches chosen by the auditees. It is a great program! And successful!

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isodog
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posted 17 May 2000 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for isodog   Click Here to Email isodog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
By the way, internal auditing can be contracted. I do the internal audits for two of my clients. It's not ideal, but very cost effective.

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Francesco
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posted 18 May 2000 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Francesco   Click Here to Email Francesco     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Our National System for the Accreditation of Certification Bodies (SINCERT) to a precise question regarding the smallest number of people required for a business for ISO 9000 certification, said that 3 is that number.

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posted 18 May 2000 11:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for isodog   Click Here to Email isodog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If I comply with the standard, and have me and one other employee (2 total), on what basis can you deny me the registration? There is NOTHING in the standard regarding supplier(now organization) size.

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Peter Hernandez
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posted 19 May 2000 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Hernandez   Click Here to Email Peter Hernandez     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

I'm a young Quality Manager in an Italian Company. I've found this site very interesting.
However, I believe that a 1 person business can be registered.


ISO9001:1994 4.1.2.3 sais that top management should nominate a representative, irrespective to other responsabilities.

This means that management and the representative may be the same person.

ISO9001:1994 4.17 sais that auditor and auditee should be independant.

This could imply that minimum required number be 2, but it is always possible to contract the internal audits. We could still discuss the fact that this type of contracted audit may not be "independant"

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posted 19 May 2000 04:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Marc Smith   Click Here to Email Marc Smith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Hernandez:

ISO9001:1994 4.17 sais that auditor and auditee should be independant.

We could still discuss the fact that this type of contracted audit may not be "independant"


Contracted internal audits are widely accepted. I have not heard anyone suggest that a contracted internal audit would not be independent.

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