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dbulak Forum Contributor Posts: 16 |
I have a copy of dis 2000. Can anyone tell me what changes were made when it became fdis 2000. IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
You might want to take a read through https://elsmar.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000064.html for some info. As I understand it nothing 'significant' has changed. IP: Logged |
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Al the Elf Forum Contributor Posts: 18 |
I'm trying to discover if the remaining requirements for "documented procedures" in the DIS have been removed at the FDIS e.g 8.2.2, 8.3, etc. Does anyone know ? Cheers, Al. IP: Logged |
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Marc Smith Cheech Wizard Posts: 4119 |
From: ISO Standards Discussion Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 09:14:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Qualified vs. Certified /Ensell/Robinson From: Ralph Robinson [email protected] "Ken Ensell" [email protected] enquired: In ISO\DIS 9001:2000 there are, in fact, only 6 specific call outs a) Clause 5.5.6 - Control of Documents: b) Clause 5.5.7 - Control of Quality Records: c) Clause 8.2.2 - Internal Audit d) Clause 8.3 - Control of Nonconformity e) Clause 8.5.2 - Corrective Action f) Clause 8.5.3 - Preventive Action Now the gray areas. There are a number of requirements that require outcomes, outputs, reviews, actions, etc. to be recorded. These are: a) The output of quality planning activity must be documented. b) Results of management reviews must be recorded. c) Planning of realization processes must be documented. d) Results of contract reviews and subsequent follow-up actions must be recorded. e) Results of design/development reviews and subsequent follow-up actions must be recorded. f) Results of design/development verification and validation activities and subsequent follow-up actions must be recorded. g) Results of supplier evaluations and subsequent follow-up actions must be recorded. h) Occurrences of loss, damage, or other damage conditions to customer property must be recorded and reported to the customer. j) Where no standard for the calibration of measuring and monitoring devices exists, the basis used for calibration must be recorded. Do these requirements suggest documented procedures may be needed? In some cases it would be difficult to satisfy the requirements of the standard without a documented procedure. And, finally, the really vague guidance found in Clauses 4.1 - General Requirements and 4.2 - General Documentation Requirements. Clause 4.1 states, "The organization shall establish, document, implement, maintain, and continually improve a quality management system in accordance with the requirements of this Internation Standard." Clause 4.2 states, "The quality system documentation shall include:" This is followed by 2 requirements, which are then followed by 3 conditions that could affect the presence of documentation. However, Section 4 of the standards is OUTSIDE that portion to which companies will be audited for compliance! ARE YOU CONFUSED YET? Hopefully the FDIS, which is due out in the very near future, will clear up this mess. If it doesn't, I can see many disputes between companies and their registrars over just what documentation is really needed. Ralph E. Robinson IP: Logged |
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